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Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 08:19:17 CST)
- Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 08:22:03 CST)
  - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 16:09:38 CST)
    - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 16:50:18 CST)
      - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 03 2008 - 06:58:11 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Wed Dec 03 2008 - 08:19:31 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Wed Dec 03 2008 - 08:48:46 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 03 2008 - 21:02:54 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 09:37:58 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Bob Badour (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 09:53:28 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 10:53:21 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer rpost (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 06:58:40 CST)
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 22:49:10 CST)
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 22:41:03 CST)
        
        Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Sat Dec 06 2008 - 15:38:07 CST)
- Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 08:43:29 CST)
  - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Brian Selzer (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 16:31:17 CST)
- Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Walter Mitty (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 09:30:59 CST)
  - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Mon Dec 01 2008 - 10:05:05 CST)
    - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Walter Mitty (Tue Dec 02 2008 - 10:28:51 CST)
      - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Tue Dec 02 2008 - 19:11:07 CST)
- Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer rpost (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 06:45:47 CST)
  - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 11:01:18 CST)
    - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer rpost (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 05:25:37 CST)
      - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer paul c (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 14:15:34 CST)
- Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer rpost (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 07:53:05 CST)
  - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer salmobytes (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 18:47:51 CST)
    - Re: native xml processing vs what Postgres and Oracle offer Bob Badour (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 19:39:54 CST)
Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Ed Prochak (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 13:07:43 CST)
- Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Gints Plivna (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 15:25:36 CST)
  - Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Bob Badour (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 15:34:54 CST)
    - Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Gints Plivna (Sat Dec 06 2008 - 11:41:28 CST)
      - Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Bob Badour (Sat Dec 06 2008 - 13:19:16 CST)
        
        Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Ed Prochak (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 09:15:48 CST)
        
        Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Bob Badour (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 09:50:47 CST)
- Re: Long column names...Performance issues? DBMS_Plumber (Fri Dec 05 2008 - 15:40:32 CST)
  - Re: Long column names...Performance issues? Roy Hann (Sat Dec 06 2008 - 02:25:00 CST)
EISWT-09 call for papers john (Sun Dec 07 2008 - 08:37:01 CST)
how to design db ilochab (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 11:42:48 CST)
- Re: how to design db Bob Badour (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 13:02:58 CST)
- Re: how to design db Volker Hetzer (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 13:29:16 CST)
  - Re: how to design db ilochab (Wed Dec 10 2008 - 09:09:16 CST)
    - Re: how to design db Volker Hetzer (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 15:33:01 CST)
      - Re: how to design db rpost (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 06:04:14 CST)
        
        Re: how to design db rpost (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 06:07:03 CST)
Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 13:24:38 CST)
- Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 13:27:27 CST)
- Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 15:32:35 CST)
  - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 16:59:51 CST)
    - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 17:16:23 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 18:36:15 CST)
    - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 08 2008 - 18:13:42 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 10:46:57 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 12:33:51 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 15:28:55 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 15:48:37 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' Bob Badour (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 16:03:49 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 16:36:01 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' Bob Badour (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 17:06:27 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 14:55:07 CST)
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 10:29:46 CST)
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 16:24:48 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 21:11:02 CST)
  - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' JOG (Wed Dec 10 2008 - 19:25:52 CST)
    - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 07:37:26 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 13:11:47 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 13:31:52 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 13:48:36 CST)
    - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 12:51:54 CST)
      - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' JOG (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 19:20:14 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 19:49:14 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' JOG (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 05:34:25 CST)
        
        Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 12:31:09 CST)
- Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' Brian Selzer (Sun Dec 14 2008 - 21:29:50 CST)
  - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 15 2008 - 14:25:01 CST)
  - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' paul c (Mon Dec 15 2008 - 14:33:53 CST)
    - Re: Date and McGoveran comments on view updating 'problem' Brian Selzer (Mon Dec 15 2008 - 16:13:12 CST)
Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 07:35:43 CST)
- Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language rpost (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 08:17:29 CST)
  - Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 13:12:52 CST)
    - Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 16:46:21 CST)
      - Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 17:14:02 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 17:17:35 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 17:33:16 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 18:44:49 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Tue Dec 09 2008 - 18:42:44 CST)
      - Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 11 2008 - 17:22:56 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 04:16:35 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 11:55:11 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 13:58:34 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 14:01:48 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 14:49:18 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language paul c (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 15:00:44 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 15:29:06 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 15:37:17 CST)
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Sat Dec 13 2008 - 03:17:34 CST)
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Sat Dec 13 2008 - 06:29:44 CST)
        
        Re: Onto a potential relational manipulation language Cimode (Fri Dec 12 2008 - 06:48:18 CST)
Call for Papers: The 2009 World Congress in Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Applied Computing (WORLDCOMP'09), USA, July 13-16, 2009 A. M. G. Solo (Sat Dec 13 2008 - 07:19:23 CST)
Call for Papers: The 2009 International Conference on Software Engineering Research and Practice (SERP'09), USA, July 13-16, 2009 A. M. G. Solo (Sat Dec 13 2008 - 22:10:23 CST)
Call for Papers: The 2009 International Conference on Foundations of Computer Science (FCS'09), USA, July 13-16, 2009 A. M. G. Solo (Sun Dec 14 2008 - 06:50:35 CST)
simple db - how am I doing so far? strongsilentone_at_gmail.com (Sun Dec 14 2008 - 15:03:19 CST)
- Re: simple db - how am I doing so far? Ed Prochak (Tue Dec 16 2008 - 07:50:10 CST)
A different definition of MINUS, Part 1 paul c (Mon Dec 15 2008 - 18:35:16 CST)
- Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 1 Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 04:16:16 CST)
  - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 1 paul c (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 08:23:55 CST)
A different definition of MINUS, Part 2 paul c (Tue Dec 16 2008 - 11:51:56 CST)
A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 08:09:39 CST)
- Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 08:44:21 CST)
- Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 14:29:12 CST)
  - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 17 2008 - 22:12:43 CST)
    - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Thu Dec 18 2008 - 15:17:30 CST)
      - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 08:47:32 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 09:02:10 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 12:29:57 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:16:23 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:26:15 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:25:06 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:37:54 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:48:49 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 14:54:12 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 04:52:25 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 13:56:49 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 14:23:06 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Fri Dec 19 2008 - 14:47:40 CST)
      - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Brian Selzer (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 05:09:23 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 06:26:47 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 09:36:29 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 09:40:18 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 10:00:46 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 14:22:02 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 16:03:58 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 16:35:36 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 17:02:53 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 17:26:55 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 20:03:28 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 20:32:15 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 05:53:20 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 03:50:46 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Walter Mitty (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 08:25:11 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 10:39:07 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 11:33:41 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Walter Mitty (Tue Dec 23 2008 - 08:21:49 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Tue Dec 23 2008 - 08:41:04 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 13:36:54 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 13:49:56 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 13:53:46 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 14:40:12 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 16:49:25 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 18:13:12 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 18:34:39 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 19:34:37 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 20:04:37 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 21:18:42 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 00:22:42 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 00:34:10 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Bob Badour (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 00:36:45 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 11:23:14 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Sun Dec 21 2008 - 23:14:59 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 00:32:52 CST)
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Brian Selzer (Mon Dec 22 2008 - 23:50:15 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 paul c (Tue Dec 23 2008 - 18:46:08 CST)
        algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Tue Dec 23 2008 - 18:09:06 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Cimode (Wed Dec 24 2008 - 04:38:54 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 24 2008 - 05:48:30 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Wed Dec 24 2008 - 09:24:04 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Brian Selzer (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 01:03:17 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 06:58:48 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Brian Selzer (Mon Dec 29 2008 - 07:41:36 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Mon Dec 29 2008 - 08:56:04 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Brian Selzer (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 04:15:00 CST)
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Mon Dec 29 2008 - 09:33:07 CST)
        
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints Walter Mitty (Tue Dec 30 2008 - 01:08:04 CST)
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 14:40:37 CST)
        Re: algebra equations for Reference and FD constraints paul c (Mon Dec 29 2008 - 16:45:23 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 vadimtro_at_gmail.com (Sat Dec 20 2008 - 13:30:16 CST)
- Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Thu Dec 18 2008 - 14:31:32 CST)
  - Re: A different definition of MINUS, Part 3 Cimode (Thu Dec 18 2008 - 14:36:38 CST)
Bioinformatics Databases Rb (Wed Dec 24 2008 - 11:51:15 CST)
A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Fri Dec 26 2008 - 13:37:37 CST)
- Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Brian Selzer (Sat Dec 27 2008 - 23:09:20 CST)
  - Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 07:56:11 CST)
    - Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Cimode (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 08:10:08 CST)
      - Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 09:40:38 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Cimode (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 16:49:54 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Cimode (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 03:13:43 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Bob Badour (Tue Dec 30 2008 - 21:58:30 CST)
    - Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 10:37:38 CST)
      - Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 11:30:53 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Bob Badour (Sun Dec 28 2008 - 12:19:24 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Mon Dec 29 2008 - 10:05:19 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 14:55:26 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Bob Badour (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 15:09:01 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 15:35:42 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 Bob Badour (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 19:46:05 CST)
        
        Re: A different definition of MINUS, part 4 paul c (Wed Dec 31 2008 - 20:25:26 CST)
Mike Carey on data modeling (and other videos) knorth (Tue Dec 30 2008 - 21:22:36 CST)
- Re: Mike Carey on data modeling (and other videos) knorth (Tue Dec 30 2008 - 21:38:30 CST)

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