Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Peter is full of it. Into the kill file "Peter" <peter_and_john2003_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message news:396cd6da.0309230557.42d5803c_at_posting.google.com...
> I work for a big financial company and I can understand Larry and you.
> To give you the select statement and DB2 release number and platforms
> detail will violate my employment agreement. They are moving the
> critical DB2/UNIX application to OS/390.
>
> I have seen it twice once on AIX and second time on LINUX system.
> Let us start using DB2 UDB as in-house DBA and you will see yourself
> disappearance of DB2 instance. It is not developers fault but
> as work around you have to blame development group.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> "Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-down_with_spammers_at_no_spam.comcast.net> wrote in
message news:<aPNbb.548237$YN5.371362_at_sccrnsc01>...
> > "Larry Edelstein" <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F6F3671.3E92F3D5_at_us.ibm.com...
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
> > >
> > > No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem
...
> > especially a serious one like the one you
> > > describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to
fix
> > it!
> > >
> > > Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get
this
> > escalated for you ... but you have not
> > > provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like
IBM
> > has not listened to you or isn't willing to
> > > do anything about this.
> > >
> > > I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume
that
> > this didn't really happen. This will be my
> > > last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details
> > and/or more information.
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein
> > >
> > > Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Larry!
> > > >
> > > > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response
of
> > every
> > > > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call
> > consultant.
> > > > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> > > >
> > > > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows
release
> > crash
> > > > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix
the
> > code.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > Larry Edelstein <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3F6C831C.F45A9D85_at_us.ibm.com>...
> > > > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two
years
> > who have never experienced this problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What
are
> > you afraid of? At this point, I must
> > > > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much
to
> > provide evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Edelstein
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Larry!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you
should
> > not
> > > > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than
> > Microsoft
> > > > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem
> > that was
> > > > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market
> > before that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work
on
> > one
> > > > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance
and
> > when
> > > > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It
simply
> > forgets
> > > > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that
and
> > forgetting
> > > > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad
both.
> > As
> > > > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor
> > developers
> > > > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table
with
> > > > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;
> > there is
> > > > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one
> > condition
> > > > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a
workaround.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby_at_ardenta.com> wrote in message
> > news:<bkhah6$1qke9$1_at_ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1064018434.923612_at_yasure...
> > > > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really
> > believe what
> > > > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the
CFO of
> > a
> > > > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure?
Migrate
> > their
> > > > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start
offering
> > courses?
> > > > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were
cut
> > a
> > > > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision
was
> > made on
> > > > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to
the
> > World
> > > > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel!
> > >
> >
> > Larry,
> > While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not
> > understand what you mean.
> >
> > Peter,
> > What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more
information.
> > If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any
> > further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to
do
> > much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in
your
> > environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is
running on
> > and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what
steps
> > you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us
these
> > things then it calls into question your integrity.
> > Jim
Received on Wed Sep 24 2003 - 03:20:56 CEST