Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

"Larry Edelstein" <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message news:3F6F3671.3E92F3D5_at_us.ibm.com...
> Peter,
>
> I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
>
> No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ...
especially a serious one like the one you
> describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix
it!
>
> Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this
escalated for you ... but you have not
> provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM
has not listened to you or isn't willing to
> do anything about this.
>
> I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that
this didn't really happen. This will be my
> last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details
and/or more information.
>
> Larry Edelstein
>
> Peter wrote:
>
> > Hi Larry!
> >
> > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of
every
> > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call
consultant.
> > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> >
> > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release
crash
> > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the
code.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Larry Edelstein <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:<3F6C831C.F45A9D85_at_us.ibm.com>...
> > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years
who have never experienced this problem.
> > >
> > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are
you afraid of? At this point, I must
> > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to
provide evidence.
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein
> > >
> > > Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Larry!
> > > >
> > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should
not
> > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > >
> > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than
Microsoft
> > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem
that was
> > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market
before that.
> > > >
> > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on
one
> > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and
when
> > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply
forgets
> > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and
forgetting
> > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both.
As
> > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor
developers
> > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;
there is
> > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one
condition
> > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby_at_ardenta.com> wrote in message
news:<bkhah6$1qke9$1_at_ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1064018434.923612_at_yasure...
> > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really
believe what
> > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of
a
> > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate
their
> > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering
courses?
> > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut
a
> > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was
made on
> > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the
World
> > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > >
> > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel!
>

Larry,
While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not understand what you mean.

Peter,
What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more information. If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to do much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in your environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is running on and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what steps you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us these things then it calls into question your integrity. Jim Received on Tue Sep 23 2003 - 04:00:39 CEST