Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

I work for a big financial company and I can understand Larry and you. To give you the select statement and DB2 release number and platforms detail will violate my employment agreement. They are moving the critical DB2/UNIX application to OS/390.

I have seen it twice once on AIX and second time on LINUX system. Let us start using DB2 UDB as in-house DBA and you will see yourself disappearance of DB2 instance. It is not developers fault but as work around you have to blame development group.

Peter

"Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-down_with_spammers_at_no_spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<aPNbb.548237$YN5.371362_at_sccrnsc01>...
> "Larry Edelstein" <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:3F6F3671.3E92F3D5_at_us.ibm.com...
> > Peter,
> >
> > I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
> >
> > No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ...
> especially a serious one like the one you
> > describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix
> it!
> >
> > Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this
> escalated for you ... but you have not
> > provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM
> has not listened to you or isn't willing to
> > do anything about this.
> >
> > I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that
> this didn't really happen. This will be my
> > last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details
> and/or more information.
> >
> > Larry Edelstein
> >
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Larry!
> > >
> > > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of
> every
> > > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call
> consultant.
> > > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> > >
> > > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release
> crash
> > > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the
> code.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein <lsedels_at_us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F6C831C.F45A9D85_at_us.ibm.com>...
> > > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years
> who have never experienced this problem.
> > > >
> > > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are
> you afraid of? At this point, I must
> > > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to
> provide evidence.
> > > >
> > > > Larry Edelstein
> > > >
> > > > Peter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Larry!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should
> not
> > > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than
> Microsoft
> > > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem
> that was
> > > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market
> before that.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on
> one
> > > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and
> when
> > > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply
> forgets
> > > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and
> forgetting
> > > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both.
> As
> > > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor
> developers
> > > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;
> there is
> > > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one
> condition
> > > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby_at_ardenta.com> wrote in message
> news:<bkhah6$1qke9$1_at_ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1064018434.923612_at_yasure...
> > > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really
> believe what
> > > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of
> a
> > > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate
> their
> > > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering
> courses?
> > > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut
> a
> > > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was
> made on
> > > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the
> World
> > > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel!
> >
>
> Larry,
> While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not
> understand what you mean.
>
> Peter,
> What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more information.
> If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any
> further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to do
> much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in your
> environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is running on
> and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what steps
> you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us these
> things then it calls into question your integrity.
> Jim
Received on Tue Sep 23 2003 - 15:57:40 CEST