Re: What databases have taught me

topmind wrote:
> Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>

>>Bob Badour wrote:
>>
>>>topmind wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tony D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>topmind wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>without resorting to stuffing
>>>>>>>some more-or-less random test cases through it as some kind of
>>>>>>>demonstration that it kind-of, maybe, perhaps does what we want it to,
>>>>>>>for these semi-random test cases at least ?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have kicked around approaches to measure the code impact of various
>>>>>>change scenarios. The problem is that people also perceive change
>>>>>>differently, I've found out, such that they would assign different
>>>>>>frequency estimates, which were required to get a total score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly. You've "kicked around approaches to measure the code impact of
>>>>>various change scenarios". But without being able to formally reason
>>>>>about behaviour in the abstract, before a piece of code is even
>>>>>written, you're fighting a losing battle, making more-or-less educated
>>>>>guesses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Again, it is not clear to me what you are proposing. Formal proving is
>>>>not a common industry practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>And your point would be? You seem to be trying to make a claim about
>>>computing science, but you measure that by the properties of industry
>>>practice. Given that many of us think the state of the industry is
>>>appalling and characterized mostly by ignorance, misconception and
>>>anti-intellectualism, you won't convince many of us with that sort of
>>>non sequitur.
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>"topmind" is our pet crank here on comp.object. He has a great record of
>>asserting things without being able to back them with anything else than
>>"I don't know why but it is so"

May I quote ?
"""
(-T-) I just want something that helps *my* domain.

(BD) Why do you think the same technical problem would require a different technical solution according to the domain ?

(-T-) Are you asking why OO techniques that apply for one domain don't apply for another? That is a very good question. I don't know why, it just does.
""""
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.object/msg/159be5dce37fe314

(snip blah)

>

>>, then challenging the others to prove
>>him wrong, then dismissing answers as either "lab example" (implied :
>>can't work in real life)

blah blah.

>

>>or "irrelevant to it's own 'niche'" (which is
>>defined as "custom biz apps", whatever this may mean).

Why do you think the same technical problem would require a different technical solution according to the domain ?

Don't bother answering, you already did : "I don't know why, it just does."

>

>>FWIW, he admitted
>>believing RM was "a brass-bullet" (while not believing in silver-bullet...)

How about unicorns ?

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