Re: Oracle headed for Legal Trouble

possibly you need to think about these methods that sales/marketing like to use to distribute product. many software companies have realized that it is more costly to reship piece this and piece that, and they are also interested in putting product in front of you. thus, you will often see distribution where
more product is present, or you may see the other pieces of a product you did not order, but they arent useable until you get an authorization code (adobe type-on-call),
or they may even let you install and use it, and bill you later for it when you try to get support for it, on and on.

anyway, the point is, when you buy the verticals from Oracle, like financials, it is intended to be sold and to be supported as a monolith. it doesnt matter that
it is built upon tools which could be used to extend, or to customize the product.
the salient point is that, as a bundle, you must deal with the bundle. that may mean
that you cannot buy piece a without b, or you wont be able to use piece c without d.
it also means, that they expect you to ask and get support for the product as the bundle
dictates, not as the underlying tool may need. that is, if you have a problem with sql*net
you may not be able to get the same level of support for that piece, if your license is for
the bundle. that is becuase you got a scaled down, or tailored version of sql*net
to be adequate to the bundle you bought. if you want the full tool, then buy it,
if you want the bundle then be satisfied with the form and content of tht bundle,
but do not expect the vendor to move outside theparameters they set up for a given
product, it is not only unfair, it is probably not possible.

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In article <4bhpd8$gh4_at_news.gate.net>, mmadhoun_at_gate.net (Mohamed Madhoun)
wrote:



> I'm a having a hard time understanding the flow of logic in your


> article.  Having extra products shipped to you on a CD have nothing to

> do with you buying or using any product you choose to.  

> 

> I have been a DBA for a while and had to support at one time or

> another databases with Applications installed on them.  During an

> install or upgrade you will be asked about the modules you wish to

> install/upgrade.  In this case Oracle is using the HONOR system by

> trusting you in installing what you are licensed for ONLY.

> 

> During the course of installation the autoinstaller may install

> modules that are needed for the proper use of the modules you are

> installing.  This is usually referred to as SHARED INSTALL.

> 

> No matter whate the case is,  nobody is preventing you from developing

> your own reports or bying Joe Shmo's products.

> 

> 

> 

> kbradley_at_us.oracle.com (Kirk Bradley) wrote:

> 

> 

> >I work for Oracle and am not in the financials apps group but

> >are you sure it isn't just a packaging issue?  That we don't just

> >ship you ALL the stuff we build and just charge you for the GL?

> >Our apps are fairly complex and powerful and it may have been

> >that it was easier for everyone concerned to make sure that all

> >the pieces are 'online'.  If you find otherwise please repost

> >and please call your sales rep to get more information.

> 

> 

> >In article <4b9cij$p7e_at_taxis.corp.titan.com>, Richard Mendoza

> ><rmendoza_at_titan.com> wrote:

 


> >> For almost all of the past week I've been going rounds with

> >> Oracle on a subject that might interest some of you. Oracle as

> >> a corporation has taken the position that if you purchase and

> >> install a single financial system (GL) you must also install the


> >> databases and stored procedures for all of there other systems. 

> >> I am told by many in Oracle support that, and here's a quote from 

> >> at least 4 people in support) 'That's the way it is and there's 

> >> nothing you can do about it' (Now there's some good customer 

> >> relations).

> >> So in effect what there telling you is Oracle is so big now they

> >> can prevent you from installing third party software and there's 

> >> nothing you can do about it.

> >> If Oracle persists on this hardline stance I think the US Attorney 

> >> Generals office should be asked to investigate Oracle. These large 

> >> software companies cannot be allowed to tell you what you can or

> >> cannot put on your computer systems.

> >> 

> >> Richard Mendoza (rmendoza_at_titan.com)

> >> My Views are my own and DO NOT reflect those of Titan Corp.