Re: The so called 'Consultants' from India

Khan,

        Managerial incopmetency has nothing to do with race or sex.  

> You are are embarking on a typical Indian stunt of attacking the
> attacker rather than try to clarify that she is saying.

        Exactly. My point. Re read my post. If needed use the following tools. A crewdriver to open your skull. A vaccuam cleaner to remove garbage. Then go study along with your kids. They might teach you a thing or too.  

> How many managers today know when Powerbuilder was released on the
> market?, we work with Gupta products, and when I was hiring a
> consultant last year from England, she told me she worked with Gupta,
> products for the last 7 years, should I be like you and doubt the seven
> years?,

        What ? Like me.

 actually I did, but then we have a in-house Gupta guru who
> thinks Gupta has been on the market since 1989, but the products have
> been on beta since at least 1987, and since this lady used to work with
> a Gupta partner, we gave her the benefit of the doubt.
 

> I do not know what your profession is, or, even if you are a student,
> all I am saying is, do not start attacking the integrity of a manager
> like Sandy Sears, lets put it this way, atleast she gets quoted widely
> in the computer press, and, you and I do not.

        Son, reread the post below......My wager has tunred into a betting pool. With people of multiple nationalities indulging in it. It is primarily on

1. Sandy is fresh out of college.
2. One to two years exposure and never been a team lead.

        Reread it and ye shall be made the prophet......It is pretty specific interms of shredding her/his arguments.....

        Though I am now quite tempted to believe that it was you.

> In <45f9bg$mk1_at_alpha.sky.net> Rahul Anand Narain <narain_at_sky.net>
> writes:
> >
> >an404544_at_anon.penet.fi wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I am a project manager at a fortune 100 bank based in Boston. I have
 

> >> the sole ownership of about 30 different client/server systems
> >> globally, most of these are built around Powerbuilder and Sybase. As
 

> >> you can imagine with a setup this big, we always have a number of
> >> outside consultants working on various projects.
 

> >> I recently decided to hire 20 consultants from a firm from India,
 this
> >> firm the name of which I would not say publicly is supposed to be
 THE
> >> consulting firm of India, and has a number of U.S and European
> >> companies as their clients.
> >
> > This speaks of the common malaise of a lot of managers who
> > have risen up the ranks or are basically incompetent but
> > politicaly shrewed.
> > Though I seriously doubt that you are managing
> > "about 30 different client/server systems globally", in the
> > case that I am incorrect your bank has process problems
> > in appointing managers.
> >
> > What I write below is to point out your mistakes from your
> > post. Rectify them and you should be getting results.
> > For specifics, if you send me your *postal address*
> > , I could offer you professinal advice as opposed
> > to flames ;-)
> >
> > Anyway, your errors in judgement follow....
> >
> >> all. Although, a lot of the resumes did indicate they have MSc
 MCA(god
> >> knows what the hell that is!) and other degrees and 'upto seven
 years
> >> experience building Powerbuilder applications',some of these people
 in
> >
> > And you believed that people had seven years of powerbuilder ?
> >
> > Given that you had mentioned THE company... which I can't
> > figure out what you mean by it.... as a number of them
> > are very good. Neither Citicorp's
> > subsidiaries, TCS, InfoSys, Wipro, HP, Tata-IBM, Mastech etc
> > would give you that garbage.. Anyway if you did
> > believe it, it is a process problem at your end.
> >
> > MSc is equivalent to MS and MCA is Master of Computer
> > Applications. I find MCAs better adept to the commercial
> > DP.
> >
> >> reality did not know how change the virtual memory on their windows
> >> machine!,
> > That is why I believe that you are not a manager of 30
> > globaly deployed systems.
> >
> >> amazing you think,
> > It is! How did you come across that info. I don't doubt that
> > this couldn't happen, but How do you get time to
> > micro-manage?? Obvioulsy, you may be neglecting your duties
> > as a manager and are not doing your joib well. This is
> > why I think that you may be a team lead or so...and are
> > having adjustment problems with newbie's coming in raw and
> > producing so well in a few days that you are surprised.
> > And hence this post.
> >
> >> it gets worse, once a girl asked me how to
> >> format a disk on her PC. I mean these people were downright frauds,
> >> about 99% of what they claimed in their resumes were lies!,
> >
> > if they claimed they had 7 years of Powerbuilder experience,
> > 100% was a lie. Then again, ****you*** a manager of 30 systems
> > globaly tellling a girl to format a disk ? Sure you found
> > that Indian girls, docile as they may look, don't take
> > kindly to a lot of bullshit which women here may easily
> > succumb to.
> > You, managing 30 systems globally, and have the time to
> > tell people how to format diskettes ? Get a life.
> >
> >> they were basically bent upon 'learning on the job' the products
 that they were
> >> supposed to have had experience in.
> >
> > I would look at the productivity figures based on a lot
> > of other fators... details can be exsplained upon a
> > contractual agreement....;-)
> >
> >> And, on top of all this, they want to keep going back to India every
 

> >> now and then, and with the most stupidest of excuses, get this, one
> >> consultant had to go and attend a celebration in india of her
 sister's
> >> coming of age!, can you beleive that?.
> >
> > That won't bother me none. If for a mutually agreeable
> > sum of money they are producing the desired quanta of work,
> > let it be their companies headache. Why should you bother ?
> > You should have said
> > "Pretty Please , with sugar on top..Just do the
> > f***ing job" !!! And If they did that, atleast
> > I'd believe anything. I've had a "local" come tell me
> > he was slipping on his job because her ex's boyfriend
> > was getting married and she was depressed due to that!
> >
> >> Well, needless to say, eventually all the consultants were slowly
> >> replaced with local ones, they are more expensive, but atleast they
> >> knew what they are doing.
> >
> > That may have been one of the many problems to begin with.
> > And the fix may not have been right too.
> >
> >> Sandy Sears.
> >
> > Well Sandy, I don't believe that you are anything but a
> > team lead. None of your questions are those but of an
> > immature lead faced with managing three or four resources
> > with whom your couldn't get along with. You don't have an
> > iota of a clue as to what project management is about. It
> > is definitely not about formatting diskettes or virtual
> > memory settings on Windows. Both of which are anyway
> > alien concepts to most middle level managers ;-)
> >
> > Grow Up Sandy will you ?
> >PS
> > I have a wager with a buddy that
> > a) you have approx 3-4 years of
> > experience
> > b) About one of which is in Pradaox etc....Excel
> > and such...
> > c) a year or two in company sponsered "Case Tool"
> > training [which have now gone out of faishon],
> > d) you can write hello World in C,
> > e) you have Windows 95 at home..
> > f) Are in the 24-26 years age group.
> > g) This is your first time as a small time
> > project lead or a team lead whatever your
> > structure is. basically a max of 3 or 4 people.
> >
> > I make $100 on each correct answer....In case you
> > don't reply were even....If you do... welll let's see
> > I am hoping that I will win atleast $700. ;-) Anywys
> > your naviette cracks me up. 7 years of Powerbuilder Ha! Ha!
> > And you think they are idiots...
> >
> >ciao
> >"I'm Winston Wolf, I solve problems."
> > - The Bonnie Situation, Pulp Fiction
>
Received on Thu Oct 12 1995 - 00:00:00 CET