Re: SYBASE acquired PowerSoft AND SDP, was Re: PowerBuilder acquires S-designer?

Just your "humble opinion!?" Where do you get this stuff from Dennis?

Let me address a few points:

1. Powersoft's commitment to support its current installed base and to remain database neutral.
2. Some truths that Dennis does not tell you about Oracle's products.

SDP is a subsidiary of Powersoft's. Until this week the Sybase sales force did not even have the rights to sell S-Designer, only the Powersoft and SDP sales forces were able to sell S-Designer. Now, if SDP was a Sybase subsidiary then why could only the Powersoft sales force and Powersoft's subsidiaries sell S-Designer?

I want to iterate that Powersoft remains independent of Sybase. Believe me, as a Sybase product manager, I'd rather they didn't. However, for reasons (that are much more important than my selfish reasons) Powersoft nees to be independent! Powersoft must continue to support its installed base of Oracle, Informix and other database customers. Additionally by Powersoft remaining database independent it allows Sybase to penetrate accounts that it would otherwise not have access to. This means that we will be able to take away Oracle customers in the comming months and years.

I would also like to point people to read the August issue of DBMS magazine. It features Powersoft's chairman Mitchell Kertzman. Yes, Powersoft still has a chairman and a president since it does remain independent of Sybase.

Dennis, if I were you I wouldn't be too proud of Developer/2000 and Designer/2000 as they require, get this: a machine with 32MB of RAM and a 486 (preferably a Pentium according to Oracle's documentation). By contrast PowerBuilder and S-Designer fit nicely in 8MB of RAM on a 386.

Further, PowerBuilder has proven itself as a database independent GUI development tool. In addition, S-Designer has also proven itself as a database independent CASE tool that generates schemas for Sybase SQL Server, Oracle7, Informix, Gupta and others (30 databases in total). By contrast Oracle's Designer/2000 LOCKS CUSTOMERS in to Oracle FOREVER.

Oracle does not have the best interest of customers in mind. Oracle still doesn't get it. They fail to realize that most large companies have databases from multiple database vendors. In a survey that Sybase performed a few years ago it found that on average Fortune 500 companies have at databases from at least 5 vendors. PowerBuilder and S-Designer bring you much closer to having your application access your heterogenous database environments from within the application. S-Designer lets you, the customers, generate schemas for over 30 databases. As mentioned Designer/2000 works with Oracle7 only! How many Fortune 500 companies use Oracle only? Zero, none, nada! How many referencable sites does Developer/2000 have running in a heterogenous environment (against Sybase SQL Server, Microsoft SQL Server, Informix, Ingres, DB2...)? Zero, none, nada!

Dennis (the product manage for Oracle's tools) paints an inaccurate picture, yes some people may call it a picture full of lies. Dennis, I would have thought that since leaving Ingres you would have maintained the same level of integrity. I see, however, that the lack of integrity at Oracle is contagious and it has also infected you. That is unfortunate, as mutual friends had led me to believe you were of the highest integrity.

Francisco

In <dbmooreDBx2s4.79M_at_netcom.com> dbmoore_at_netcom.com (Dennis Moore) writes:
>
>PowerSoft did not acquire SDP, SA (the makers of S-Designor), Sybase
 did.
>Sybase also acquired PowerSoft previously. They are not independent
 companies,
>they are divisions of Sybase. Sybase had to acquire a CASE tool
 because
>companies are finding that it is impossible to build sophisticated
 client/server
>applications using first generation tools stuck in one life cycle
 stage, like
>PowerBuilder. In addition, since Oracle started taking away Sybase's
 market
>in both databases (with Oracle7) and tools (with Developer/2000), and
 recently
>also start shipping great CASE tools (with Designer/2000), Sybase had
 to buy
>a company to keep up. Of course, like with their first CASE tool
 acquisition
>(Deft, a few years ago, which is not even shipped anymore), they
 overpaid for
>a functionally weak product. The acquisition cost was about US$20MM,
 which
>caused Sybase to have a second straight quarter of losses. If you use
>LogicWorks' ERWin with PowerBuilder, expect a visit from the
 Sybase/PowerSoft
>rep trying to get you to swap to S-Designor. S-Designor will be
 integrated
>with PowerBuilder within a few years (probably around the same time
 the Mac
>and Unix ports ship ;-), so I bet the other CASE vendors find out soon
 just
>how "open" Sybase intends to be with PowerBuilder. Just MHO ...
>
>In article <itkennet.7.002477BF_at_polyu.edu.hk> itkennet_at_polyu.edu.hk
 (Kenneth Yuen) writes:
>>Recently I have looked at the PB WWW page and found that Powersoft
 established
>>a Designer-division. Also, Powersoft holds an official course for
 S-designer
>>for PB. Does anyone know further information?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Kenneth
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>
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