Re: SQL*Plus replacement available - SPAM SPAM SPAM
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:42:38 -0700
Message-ID: <1086410568.683254_at_yasure>
Open Wound wrote:
> "Ulrich Kobsa" <ulrich.kobsa_at_t-online.de> wrote in message news:<c9qjln$l85$04$1@news.t-online.com>...
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>>Ed prochak wrote: >>
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>>My intention for posting an answer to Daniel was mostly the way he >>answered because from a first reading I didnīt find anything wrong >>about the original posting except from the no-name. >>To post an tool offer to a .tools group seems to be natural for me (I >>donīt read this group very regularly so I didnīt find it wrong). >>According to the .tools charter I find no sentence where it is >>explicitly told that tool offerings are not allowed to be posted here. >>It will only become clear when you also reading the .marketplace >>charter. >>But IMHO this is a very unnatural distinction. If I want to discuss >>about the offered tool I had to switch to a different group. Thatīs >>strange. >>
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> <snip>
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> I agree. Think about what would have happened if Daniel had been around
> some 12 years ago when Linus Torvalds made this post announcing Linux:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Oct5.054106.4647%40klaava.Helsinki.FI
> Daniel would have flamed Linus for his "product promotion", called Linus
> a spammer, demanded an apology and asked him to post in some "marketplace"
> newsgroup that no one ever reads.
>
> There is a need for balance. If product vendors fill this newsgroup with
> advertisements then the newsgroup will be destroyed. At the same time it
> doesn't make sense to paint with a broad brush and attack even freeware
> programmers who may be trying to help people.
If he'd posted it in comp.databases.oracle.server or tools you are absolutely correct: I'd have nailed him for it and he would have deserved it. He would have been off-topic and inappropriate.
Things are not made right or wrong because they are popular or because in 20:20 hindsight they are deemed good.
If Linus, however, had posted his message in an appropriate usenet group I'd have run right out and downloaded a copy.
The issue here is not, as you are trying to make it, one of being allowed to announce or not announce. It is about being on-topic in a specific usenet group. Had the exact same message been posted to c.d.o.marketplace no one would have objected ... least of all me.
So don't try changing the subejct because I won't allow it. If you wish to debate this with me the topic is ... not WHAT was posted ... but rather WHERE it was posted.
-- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)Received on Sat Jun 05 2004 - 06:42:38 CEST