Re: aidev Monitoring Plugin v12. for Oracle Enterprise Manager 12c & 13c - now available

From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:42:25 +0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:24:50 +1100, Noons wrote:

> Just a small addenda to the above, with which I entirely agree.
> God help you if you send some in-house data and app to the SAAS Oracle
> cloud (or any other SAAS cloud, for that matter!) and later on have to
> "in-house" it again!
> One of our in-house "cloud experts" pushed a small sub-app into an
> Oracle cloud SAAS provider a couple of years ago.
> Now, it needs to return because it is just too expensive to do any
> customization of it and HR Peoplesoft lives off custom code anyway.
> (wonders will never cease...)
> Shock and horror! The "small SAAS database" was 2500+ tables, no
> indexes, no table relationships whatsoever, and heaps and heaps of LOBs
> where there should have been columns.
> Ie: typical java BULLSHIT NONSENSE design, with data "serialized" (so it
> won't be lost if power fails) with the cheapest and nastiest ORM tool
> they could find!
> I haven't yet stopped laughing at the face of the "cloud expert" when he
> realized what he had done and how utterly lost all that data is!
> Ah yes! If we pay a small (aka, lots and lots of $$$$$) consulting fee,
> they will return it to us in a format that is intelligible.
> In classic IT terms: the biggest, most classic IT RIP-OFF I've ever
> seen!
> But of course: cloud is cheaper than the "expensive dbas"!
> Isn't it, Larry, you blithering IDIOT?

[Quoted] Beware of Oracle bearing gifts. The possibility of disengaging the cloud and migrating the stuff back to the premises must be negotiated in the contract. Oracle's business practices are, er...unusual, to put it mildly. Fortunately, competition will eventually take care of that. Both AWS and Azure have wiped the floor with Oracle cloud offerings. Such cautinary tales should motivate people to look at the other cloud [Quoted] providers first. However, this will still not help the DBA guys whose jobs are bleeding away to cloud vendors, application vendors and outsourcing remote DBA companies. Here is the one for the last Oracle DBA:

Mladen Gogala
Database Consultant
Received on Sun Nov 12 2017 - 22:42:25 CET

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