Re: aidev Monitoring Plugin v12. for Oracle Enterprise Manager 12c & 13c - now available

From: Noons <>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:24:50 +1100
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On 12/11/2017 12:55 _at_wiz, Mladen Gogala wrote:

> Jeremy, RDS and DBaaS offering in general are meant for consumer
> companies who do not have neither stuff nor capability to operate an
> Oracle database and want only to run off the shelf application for taxes,
> general ledger or warehouse. Those are generally smaller to medium
> companies with relatively simple application structure, usually something
> akin to the proverbial "Ma's and Pa's Grocery Store". That is a database
> equivalent of an Android tablet: consumer electronic, very limited in its
> capabilities, but extremely useful an practical, as long as you are using
> it for web surfing, email and mobile banking. The moment you attempt to
> write a Python script on an Adroid tablet, you will run into
> unsurmountable problems. RDS and other DBaaS offerings in general are the
> same thing: you can get your DB installed, backed up and maintained by
> the provider, run your application of choice, all withoud an expensive IT
> staff. Specialization has always been a trend in any technology.
> Companies used to have huge IT departments, with head counts in hundreds,
> developing their own applications, having their own system and database
> administrators, developers, project managers, service and helpdesk
> personnel and, last but not least, IT security personnel. COTS
> applications like Salesforce, SAP, Oracle EBS, EPIC and alike have cut
> down the need for the mammoth IT departments. And technical specialists
> were hard to come by and very well paid, which was straining the company
> budgets. I live in New York City. If a company can afford not to rent the
> entire floor of a building in midtown Manhattan, just to house the IT
> department, that is a very significant saving, not to mention the savings
> on the payroll side. Companies like Dominoes, Dunkin' Donuts, Macy's or
> Walgreens can go back to what they do, and that's not IT. RDS, off the
> shelf applications and remote DBA companies like Pythian or F3 Partners
> are the solution.

[Quoted] Just a small addenda to the above, with which I entirely agree.

God help you if you send some in-house data and app to the SAAS Oracle cloud (or any other SAAS cloud, for that matter!) and later on have to "in-house" it again!

One of our in-house "cloud experts" pushed a small sub-app into an Oracle cloud SAAS provider a couple of years ago.

Now, it needs to return because it is just too expensive to do any customization of it and HR Peoplesoft lives off custom code anyway. (wonders will never cease...)

Shock and horror! The "small SAAS database" was 2500+ tables, no indexes, no table relationships whatsoever, and heaps and heaps of LOBs where there should have been columns.

Ie: typical java BULLSHIT NONSENSE design, with data "serialized" (so it won't be lost if power fails) with the cheapest and nastiest ORM tool they could find!

I haven't yet stopped laughing at the face of the "cloud expert" when he realized what he had done and how utterly lost all that data is!

Ah yes! If we pay a small (aka, lots and lots of $$$$$) consulting fee, they will return it to us in a format that is intelligible.

In classic IT terms: the biggest, most classic IT RIP-OFF I've ever seen!

[Quoted] But of course: cloud is cheaper than the "expensive dbas"! Isn't it, Larry, you blithering IDIOT?

> I have tested Oracle for RDS extensively, there is nothing different
> about it. You only don't get to interact with the machine it's running
> on, that's all.

Bingo! Received on Sun Nov 12 2017 - 03:24:50 CET

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