Re: consolidation of multiple rows
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:11:21 -0800
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> I would disagree with your characterization of them as "great DBAs." >>
> That is a completely asinine comment. You don't know them; you don't
> know their background or their jobs, you don't know their training and
> you don't know the quality of work they do.
Actually I do know one thing ... that is with respect to their training. You provided that answer yourself.
But my comment is hardly asinine. I just, it appears, have a higher standard than you before I refer to someone as "great."
> Yet you say they are not great DBA's because they aren't familiar with
> Boyce's name? I've seen stupid and small minded in this group before,
> but that tops the cake.
Not because. But it is part of it: Yes.
Again ... my standard it, it would seem, rather higher than yours when I throw around adjectives.
Since we are speaking English lets go with a dictionary definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/great
"markedly superior in character or quality" "remarkably skilled"
I guess I find them less remarkable than you do.
>> I know that might be your impression of them. And I've no doubt they >> can install, patch, and backup and restore without crashing and burning. >> But it takes more than that to be "great."
> And you have no idea what my background is. For your information, I've
> been programming for over 40 years. I've been working with RDB's for
> around 25 years - I started while working for IBM in the early 80's. And
> I've been teaching sql and database administration to Fortune 500
> companies for around 15 years.
We are not discussing you personally: Don't change the subject. Above you wrote: "You don't know them" and now it is about you? Not interested in pursuing that but I doubt you are older than me so be careful here.
> I know a great dba when I see one. And I know a small minded idiot when
> I see one. Your comments do NOT show you are a great DBA.
Never claimed to be one. Not once.
>> You don't know normalization if you don't know Boyce-Codd Normal Form. >> What you are describing is the competent self-taught ... not the >> "great."
> Who said they don't know Boyce-Codd Normal Form? They know how to
> normalize a database. They know the rules for each of the 5 normal
> forms. The fact YOU call it Boyce-Codd does not mean everyone does.
Actually it does.
http://www.datamodel.org/NormalizationRules.html http://ycmi.med.yale.edu/nadkarni/db_course/Norm_contents.htm http://comsci.liu.edu/~murali/syllabi/cs148_fall_2007.htm
At least within the community of those of us that teach it.
-- Daniel A. Morgan Oracle Ace Director & Instructor University of Washington damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)Received on Sat Mar 08 2008 - 19:11:21 CST