Re: OT- raw meat in these days of devops

Interesting. I actually had a manager who had a habit of doing exactly that. Only one though, most prefer to sleep at night.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:46 PM Clay Jackson <dmarc-noreply_at_freelists.org> wrote:

> Reminds me of a manager I had who insisted that "Most DBAs are arsonists.
> They set a fire so they can put it out, or at best, stand by and watch
> while someone else, usually a developer, strikes a match. Then they can
> play hero and put out the fire".
>
> Mladen is spot on, MUCH harder to be PROACTIVE than reactive.
>
> And there's more need than ever for people who UNDERSTAND not only data;
> but the implications (increasingly hazardous) of "getting it wrong".
>
> At the end of the day, AI and Machine Learning are nothing more than
> pattern matching and curve fitting, and there are humans "behind the
> curtains" at every step.
>
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> This sounds like a self-serving platitude of the first order. Do you have
> any data to base such a bold claim on? Without supporting data and a
> comprehensive survey, such a claim about "no org" is just a pure
> charlatanism. DBA is a database subject-matter expert (SME) and there are
> several kinds of DBA. I am a development DBA who tries to predict
> performance of the software product that I support before it hits the
> customer. My role is not reactive. There is also an infrastructure DBA, who
> is the person to call when your application receives "ORA-00257 Archiver
> error. Connect internal only until freed" at 3AM or when you receive
> ORA-01555 because your UNDO tablespace is too small. Those are relatively
> simple, although ORA-01555 can be really tricky to debug.
> However, you can get all kinds of ORA-00600 or ORA-07445 and then you need
> someone who knows how the database works. It's much harder to be a DBA than
> a charlatan who speculates about what no org wishes or doesn't wish.
>
> On 5/19/21 6:07 PM, kunwar singh wrote:
> > DBA is considered a reactive role . No org wants a reactive role now,
> > it is 2021 . This movement is now speeded due to pandemic and need
> > of more automation.
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