Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
From: Thomas Roach <troach_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 00:07:42 -0500
Message-Id: <96F57ED2-D052-4232-82F0-973B3D29BA57_at_gmail.com>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>> Using OVM is why it is supported by Oracle support without question in the IBM cloud.
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>> I just performed a gig this month for a client in the IBM cloud and there is no pushback from Oracle support about the setup or RAC, because it is OVM.
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>> Matthew Parker
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>> Dimensional DBA
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>> View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn
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>> From: Hameed, Amir [mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:17 AM
>> To: Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
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>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> I don’t have all the details that were discussed with IBM. However, what I do know is that we were assured by IBM that we could bring our database and RAC licenses to their cloud and they would manage them using OVMs. However, unless the vendor (Oracle) supports this setup why would anyone make a move knowing that if they hit a bug, they would not get direct support from Oracle.
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>> From: Stefan Knecht [mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:05 AM
>> To: Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>
>> Cc: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> Is it IBM that would "support" the environment, or Oracle?
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>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com> wrote:
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>> But your statement negates what Stefan had initially posted, doesn’t it?
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>> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."
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>> From: Matthew Parker [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:38 AM
>> To: Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
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>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> IBM runs the instances on UEL OVM which is supported.
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>> Matthew Parker
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>> Chief Technologist
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>> Dimensional DBA
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>> Oracle Gold Partner
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>> 425-891-7934 (cell)
>>
>> D&B 047931344
>>
>> CAGE 7J5S7
>>
>> Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
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>> View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn
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>> www.dimensionaldba.com
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Hameed, Amir
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>> To: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> Our data center is exploring IBM’s IaaS as an option to host infrastructure. IBM has told them that they are a Platinum partner of Oracle and that they would support our RAC environments deployed on Oracle’s VMs on LINUX. So, if a software product, RAC in this case, is not certified by Oracle to run on third-party clouds then how are these vendors making these claims openly?
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>> Thanks
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Venzl
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:18 AM
>> To: knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> Certified is an understatement in this case.
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>> It’s not supported at all on Azure, full stop:
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>> 4) Apart from licensing, can RAC be supported on Third-Party Clouds?
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>> Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or Microsoft Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this matter, Oracle has ceased any supportability evaluation of ThirdParty Clouds for Oracle RAC in general. That said, the lack of natively provided shared storage in addition to certain network restrictions that would need to be worked around on most Third-Party Clouds currently prevent Oracle from supporting any Third-Party Cloud for Oracle RAC presently and regardless of technical feasibility.
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>> Thx,
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>> Gerald Venzl | Senior Principal Product Manager
>> Email: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com | Phone: +1.650.633.0085
>> Oracle ST & Database Development
>> 400 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Shores | 94065 | USA
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>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:09, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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>> One thing not to be disregarded is the usual implication of running RAC on any non-Oracle virtualized platform is that it's not officially certified by Oracle. Depending on your client, that may be the end of discussion right there and then.
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>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/options/clustering/overview/rac-cloud-support-2843861.pdf
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>> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."
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>> Stefan
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 00:07:42 -0500
Message-Id: <96F57ED2-D052-4232-82F0-973B3D29BA57_at_gmail.com>
Amazon has bare metal cloud but I think that's only for VMware. I don't think you can just load whatever software you want on the bare-metal. Maybe something has recently changed on this?
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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 7:57 PM, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess it's a bit of a word play. Oracle's lawyers would probably love this :) > > What they are likely referring to in the licensing document of third party clouds is their build of the hypervisor. In AWS's case that would be EC2. Azure probably has their own name for it. > > What you essentially seem to be doing is renting out a co-located server, inside the IBM cloud network. > > I suppose that Amazon offers the same thing, so you could essentially run a certified and supported Oracle RAC cluster "on AWS" (being on their network and in their datacenter )- but NOT on "EC2". It's kind of a bring-your-own-hardware type of deal then. > > So that's a different story. > > Stefan > > > >
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>> Using OVM is why it is supported by Oracle support without question in the IBM cloud.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just performed a gig this month for a client in the IBM cloud and there is no pushback from Oracle support about the setup or RAC, because it is OVM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Parker
>>
>> Chief Technologist
>>
>> Dimensional DBA
>>
>> Oracle Gold Partner
>>
>> 425-891-7934 (cell)
>>
>> D&B 047931344
>>
>> CAGE 7J5S7
>>
>> Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
>>
>> View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn
>>
>> www.dimensionaldba.com
>>
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>> From: Hameed, Amir [mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:17 AM
>> To: Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
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>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> I don’t have all the details that were discussed with IBM. However, what I do know is that we were assured by IBM that we could bring our database and RAC licenses to their cloud and they would manage them using OVMs. However, unless the vendor (Oracle) supports this setup why would anyone make a move knowing that if they hit a bug, they would not get direct support from Oracle.
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>> From: Stefan Knecht [mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:05 AM
>> To: Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>
>> Cc: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
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>> Is it IBM that would "support" the environment, or Oracle?
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>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com> wrote:
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>> But your statement negates what Stefan had initially posted, doesn’t it?
>>
>> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Matthew Parker [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:38 AM
>> To: Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
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>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>>
>>
>>
>> IBM runs the instances on UEL OVM which is supported.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Parker
>>
>> Chief Technologist
>>
>> Dimensional DBA
>>
>> Oracle Gold Partner
>>
>> 425-891-7934 (cell)
>>
>> D&B 047931344
>>
>> CAGE 7J5S7
>>
>> Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
>>
>> View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn
>>
>> www.dimensionaldba.com
>>
>>
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Hameed, Amir
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>> To: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>>
>>
>>
>> Our data center is exploring IBM’s IaaS as an option to host infrastructure. IBM has told them that they are a Platinum partner of Oracle and that they would support our RAC environments deployed on Oracle’s VMs on LINUX. So, if a software product, RAC in this case, is not certified by Oracle to run on third-party clouds then how are these vendors making these claims openly?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Venzl
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:18 AM
>> To: knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>>
>>
>>
>> Certified is an understatement in this case.
>>
>> It’s not supported at all on Azure, full stop:
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Apart from licensing, can RAC be supported on Third-Party Clouds?
>>
>> Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or Microsoft Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this matter, Oracle has ceased any supportability evaluation of ThirdParty Clouds for Oracle RAC in general. That said, the lack of natively provided shared storage in addition to certain network restrictions that would need to be worked around on most Third-Party Clouds currently prevent Oracle from supporting any Third-Party Cloud for Oracle RAC presently and regardless of technical feasibility.
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>> Thx,
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald Venzl | Senior Principal Product Manager
>> Email: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com | Phone: +1.650.633.0085
>> Oracle ST & Database Development
>> 400 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Shores | 94065 | USA
>>
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>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:09, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing not to be disregarded is the usual implication of running RAC on any non-Oracle virtualized platform is that it's not officially certified by Oracle. Depending on your client, that may be the end of discussion right there and then.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/options/clustering/overview/rac-cloud-support-2843861.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."
>>
>>
>>
>> Stefan
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> //
>>
>> zztat - The Next-Gen Oracle Performance Monitoring and Reaction Framework!
>>
>> Visit us at zztat.net | Support our Indiegogo campaign at igg.me/at/zztat | _at_zztat_oracle
>>
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>> --
>>
>> //
>>
>> zztat - The Next-Gen Oracle Performance Monitoring and Reaction Framework!
>>
>> Visit us at zztat.net | Support our Indiegogo campaign at igg.me/at/zztat | _at_zztat_oracle
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