Re: Extended RAC on SE
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 08:47:27 +0100
Message-ID: <CAGDf7wQ0N3KaJuH9mG+_DA6M-ZbhinV9hmL5Gin5_DoDNf-YWg_at_mail.gmail.com>
Oops..... same price, larger named user minimum
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
> So they have killed Standard One, and made standard edition more
> expensive, with more restrictions?
>
> https://www.oracle.com/database/standard-edition-two/index.html
>
>
> https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p=dstore:product:0::NO:RP,6:P6_LPI,P6_PROD_HIER_ID:126817105123970755394178,4509958287721805720011
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/UPGRADE/entry/oracle_12_1_0_22
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ls Cheng <exriscer_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> looks like it is not only two socket limit, it even limits, in the kernel
>> code I guess, the use of maximum of 16 threads in SE2, released yesterday
>> btw
>>
>> So we have to look for quadcore CPUs, more core then they are just going
>> to be wasted :-O
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree Mark,
>>>
>>> Finding single-socket servers is indeed tricky!
>>>
>>> We have bought many servers from broadberry in the UK, they allow us to
>>> have SSD's, lsi controllers and 4hr hardware support, at a reasonable
>>> cost, they do some single socket servers
>>>
>>> eg
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.broadberry.co.uk/superservers-supermicro-servers/as-1012a-m73rf
>>>
>>> Full spec :
>>>
>>> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/1018/sys-1018gr-t.cfm
>>>
>>> I just configured one
>>>
>>> E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core Xeon 2.3GHz 45Mb Cache 145 Watts
>>> 6x 800GB Intel SSD S3500 DataCentre SERIES 2.5IN SATA3 MLC
>>> LSI MegaRAID 9380-4i4e 12Gb/s SAS/SATA RAID Controller, 1Gb DDR4 Cache,
>>> with Internal & External Ports
>>> 10GbE Dual-Port SFP+ (Direct Attached) Server Adapter - Intel E10G42BTDA
>>> 1st Year 24/7 Support - Up to 4 hours after submission of ticket, up to
>>> 5 incidents per year
>>>
>>> £9,618.81 Ex. VAT
>>>
>>>
>>> The E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core is a single chip processor, so my
>>> understanding has always been it only needs one license, but I am no
>>> licensing expert!
>>>
>>> From http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf
>>>
>>> When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One or Standard
>>> Edition in the product name, a processor is counted equivalent to an
>>> occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in
>>> the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket.
>>>
>>> But as Alfredo and Svetoslav have said a change in licensing might make
>>> this a pointless exercise.
>>>
>>> Oh well!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Brinsmead <
>>> mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is true. However, finding single-socket servers can be something
>>>> of a challenge.
>>>>
>>>> The example cited seems to work -- unless that 18-core processor is
>>>> implemented as a multi-chip-module ;-) -- but the majority of servers these
>>>> days are equipped with at least two sockets. You'll also need to make
>>>> certain your single socket server has enough network interfaces.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know whether Oracle ever removed the language about multi-chip
>>>> modules from the OLSA. If they haven't though, it (still) makes license
>>>> management with SE very tricky.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I read it you can 4 nodes,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://support.oracle.com/epmos/faces/DocumentDisplay?_afrLoop=358910255816631&id=220970.1&_adf.ctrl-state=znnb3zko4_57#A5750
>>>>>
>>>>> Oracle Database Standard Edition can only be licensed on servers that
>>>>> have a maximum capacity of 4 sockets. If licensing by Named User Plus, the
>>>>> minimum is 5 Named User Plus licenses. Oracle Database Standard Edition,
>>>>> when used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, may only be licensed on a
>>>>> single cluster of servers supporting up to a total maximum capacity of 4
>>>>> sockets.
>>>>>
>>>>> *NOTE: This means that the server capacity must meet the restriction
>>>>> even if the sockets are empty, since they count towards capacity.*
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you have 4 single *socket* servers
>>>>>
>>>>> eg you could have a single 18 core intel 2600 v3 with 512gb of ram in
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/1018/SYS-1018R-WC0R.cfm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Fernando Andrade <
>>>>> correo_at_fjandrade.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks _at_Joe
>>>>>> The answer was in the referenced doc. 220970.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser_at_icat.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out Doc ID 220970.1 on MOS/metalink (old school J ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short answer is yes but there are a few restrictions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
>>>>>>> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Andrade
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:23 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Oracle-L Group <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Extended RAC on SE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi I recieved an extrange request for a client.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He wants a extended RAC on SE, I have found this reference googling:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://isu.ifmo.ru/docs/doc111/license.111/b28287/editions.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Extended or stretch clusters are not supported with Standard
>>>>>>> Edition and Oracle RAC. An Extended or stretch cluster is defined as "A
>>>>>>> cluster where all nodes are not located in the same room"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I havent found this paragraph in the documentation provided by
>>>>>>> Oracle nor in 11.1, 11.2 or 12.1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one with more information? Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FJA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------
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>>>>>>> http://www.fjandrade.com
>>>>>>> 0983032550
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>>> Fernando Jose Andrade
>>>>>> http://www.fjandrade.com
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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