Re: The wisdom of the object mentors (Was: Searching OO Associations with RDBMS Persistence Models)
From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_pei.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:47 GMT
Message-ID: <v1lfg.15599$A26.363273_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
[Quoted] >> Alfredo Novoa wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, a DBMS is a bucket of bits with some low level rules to manage
>>>> those bits. An OO application provides the beavior that the customer
>>>> wants to see. We can completely eliminate the DBMS and replace it with
>>>> another of an entirely different form (non Relational for example) and
>>>> still have all the business behavior we need.
>>>
>>>> The people who sell databases have sold you, and the industry, a
>>>> misconception: that the database is the heart of the system. This is
>>>> flawed. The heart of the system is the application code. The database
>>>> is a detail to be decided at the last possible moment and kept in a
>>>> position so flexible that it can be swapped out for another at a whim.
>>>
>>> If the mentors are like this, I don't want to imagine the rest.
>>
>> Considering the use of so many button-pushingly ludicrous statements
>> such as "a DBMS is a bucket of bits" and "swapped out for another at a
>> whim", do you not think perhaps Mr Martin was teasing (or goading) you?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:47 GMT
Message-ID: <v1lfg.15599$A26.363273_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Robert Martin wrote:
> On 2006-05-30 07:33:03 -0500, "Tony Andrews" <andrewst_at_onetel.com> said: >
[Quoted] >> Alfredo Novoa wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, a DBMS is a bucket of bits with some low level rules to manage
>>>> those bits. An OO application provides the beavior that the customer
>>>> wants to see. We can completely eliminate the DBMS and replace it with
>>>> another of an entirely different form (non Relational for example) and
>>>> still have all the business behavior we need.
>>>
>>>> The people who sell databases have sold you, and the industry, a
>>>> misconception: that the database is the heart of the system. This is
>>>> flawed. The heart of the system is the application code. The database
>>>> is a detail to be decided at the last possible moment and kept in a
>>>> position so flexible that it can be swapped out for another at a whim.
>>>
>>> If the mentors are like this, I don't want to imagine the rest.
>>
>> Considering the use of so many button-pushingly ludicrous statements
>> such as "a DBMS is a bucket of bits" and "swapped out for another at a
>> whim", do you not think perhaps Mr Martin was teasing (or goading) you?
> > I was doing neither. I was expounding an attitude about DBMSs that I > have found useful over the years.
That you found it useful says more about your intellect than about DBMSs. Received on Wed May 31 2006 - 20:13:47 CEST