Re: TRM - Morbidity has set in, or not?
From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_pei.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:13:35 GMT
Message-ID: <PUtag.8633$A26.218777_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
>
>
> dawn wrote:
>
>
>
> [emphasis added - KHD]
>
> Dear Dawn,
>
> Noting your repeated use of STYLE and the general content of
> your message I believe you have missed my point. The
> suggestion was not to follow a particular grammatical
> style. Transforming sentences from one parse tree to another
> falls under "trivial" editing "fashion" warned against. It
> is not a prohibition of "I" or any other syntax. Repeated
> use of "I" is simply sometimes a _signal_.
>
> The _key_ to the suggestion was _introspection_. In other
> words I'm suggesting one (as in one of many) simple mechanic
> that helps to encourage a style of _thinking_ (not writing).
> Differences in thinking of course will translate into
> differences in communication. Thus since the suggestion was
> for a method of introspection when communicating (and not a
> grammatical style) you cannot be OFFENDED by the method
> except to the extent that your thoughts offend yourself.
>
> For example, you might ask yourself "What is the purpose of
> these statements? What is my motivation? What is my goal?"
>
> 1) I took several years of stones ...
> I recognize I'm a heretic ...
>
> 2) I also know what happens to heretics ...
>
> 3) I might even retract ...
> I have no disagreement with the mathematics ...
> I disagree with some [standard] choices ...
> I have not ... prove[n] my hunches ...
>
> 4) I have enough experience with budgets ...
>
> 5) I have formed opinions ...
> I write about that which interests me ...
> I continue my search, in spite of [you]
>
> 6) I sit in my oldest daughter and her husband's
> comfortable, happy, recently-built home
>
> 7) I'm online to look up Phi Beta Kappa ...
> I understand the honor my youngest is receiving ...
> her graduation this weekend ...
>
> 8) I have at least done some things right ... and
>
> 9) given his approach ... [FP] seems a sad sort
> I wonder if [you] have happy lives ...
> I worry about [Fabian Pascal]
> I worry about Bob Badour too]
>
> 0) -- a mom
>
> For my part I found them to be
>
> 1) appeal to pity, appeal to authority (in this case the
> common knowledge that many heretics were right, Galileo
> for example)
>
> 2) faulty generalization, guilt by association, poisoning
> the well
>
> In other words you want readers to feel sorry for you, to
> believe that you are somehow special and revolutionary
> and anyone who opposes you is a dogmatist, an inquisitor.
>
> 3) proof by assertion, it remains to be seen whether you can
> accept reasoned arguments and change your beliefs.
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:13:35 GMT
Message-ID: <PUtag.8633$A26.218777_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Keith H Duggar wrote:
>>Keith H Duggar wrote: >> >>>From the summary of your posting above, do you not see >>>how some have come to see you as "self-aggrandizing"? >>> >>>If not, allow me to suggest one simple technique for you >>>to experiment with. The next time you post, read over >>>the draft and try to remove all occurrences of the word >>>"I", not in a trivial fashion of course, but rather with >>>introspection.
>
>
> dawn wrote:
>
>>[I see that everything I wrote here does not take into >>account your suggestion ... I do not know how to express >>an opinion as if were the truth, as others do, and, in >>fact, have made it a policy to try to ensure the reader >>can tell the difference, but I will research that STYLE >>of writing before I post again. >>... >>Stating opinions as absolutes is arrogant and misleading. >>Does that sentence work? I trust you can see the humor in >>using that statement to give this a spin. With my own >>STYLE, I would have said "It seems to me that stating >>opinions as absolutes is arrogant and misleading." BB >>even makes his statements about me, never having met me, >>as if they were the truth, rather than simply his opinion, >>flawed as it may be. I recognize there are some who >>prefer that STYLE of writing and will give it a spin when >>I engage the subject matter again. If I find the technique >>too hard to master or am too OFFENDED by it myself, I will >>simply chat with those who are willing to engage in the >>dialogue while letting me be me.
>
>
> [emphasis added - KHD]
>
> Dear Dawn,
>
> Noting your repeated use of STYLE and the general content of
> your message I believe you have missed my point. The
> suggestion was not to follow a particular grammatical
> style. Transforming sentences from one parse tree to another
> falls under "trivial" editing "fashion" warned against. It
> is not a prohibition of "I" or any other syntax. Repeated
> use of "I" is simply sometimes a _signal_.
>
> The _key_ to the suggestion was _introspection_. In other
> words I'm suggesting one (as in one of many) simple mechanic
> that helps to encourage a style of _thinking_ (not writing).
> Differences in thinking of course will translate into
> differences in communication. Thus since the suggestion was
> for a method of introspection when communicating (and not a
> grammatical style) you cannot be OFFENDED by the method
> except to the extent that your thoughts offend yourself.
>
> For example, you might ask yourself "What is the purpose of
> these statements? What is my motivation? What is my goal?"
>
> 1) I took several years of stones ...
> I recognize I'm a heretic ...
>
> 2) I also know what happens to heretics ...
>
> 3) I might even retract ...
> I have no disagreement with the mathematics ...
> I disagree with some [standard] choices ...
> I have not ... prove[n] my hunches ...
>
> 4) I have enough experience with budgets ...
>
> 5) I have formed opinions ...
> I write about that which interests me ...
> I continue my search, in spite of [you]
>
> 6) I sit in my oldest daughter and her husband's
> comfortable, happy, recently-built home
>
> 7) I'm online to look up Phi Beta Kappa ...
> I understand the honor my youngest is receiving ...
> her graduation this weekend ...
>
> 8) I have at least done some things right ... and
>
> 9) given his approach ... [FP] seems a sad sort
> I wonder if [you] have happy lives ...
> I worry about [Fabian Pascal]
> I worry about Bob Badour too]
>
> 0) -- a mom
>
> For my part I found them to be
>
> 1) appeal to pity, appeal to authority (in this case the
> common knowledge that many heretics were right, Galileo
> for example)
>
> 2) faulty generalization, guilt by association, poisoning
> the well
>
> In other words you want readers to feel sorry for you, to
> believe that you are somehow special and revolutionary
> and anyone who opposes you is a dogmatist, an inquisitor.
>
> 3) proof by assertion, it remains to be seen whether you can
> accept reasoned arguments and change your beliefs.
Check out the threads around here from three years ago. Nothing remains to be seen on that score.
> -- Keith --
>
> PS. Congratulations to your family. And to anyone out there
> who happens to drive an FUV, please consider a more fuel
> efficient lifestyle. Our culture of consumption is a very
> bad thing.
I disagree. The sooner consumption forces us to find cheap domestic energy sources the better. Received on Wed May 17 2006 - 02:13:35 CEST