Re: Flamewar object databases vs. relational databases

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Rico wrote:

>
> "Bob Badour" <bbadour_at_golden.net> wrote in message
>
> [snip]
>
> Your responses seem to lack any balanced view, so it's meaningless for me to
> discuss this issue with you. Suffice it to say, I was pointing out to
> another poster that relational databases aren't the answer to all data
> storage problems any more than a saw is the only tool needed for carpentry.
>
> >
> > > (Also, while Carl is reading about relational algebra and tuple
 calculus,
> > > Bob needs to read the series of responses to the Third Manifesto ...)
> >
> > I haven't seen those. Where are they?
> >
>
> Wow, a C.J. Date fan who doesn't know about his detractors? :)
>
> You should be able to find the articles on www.acm.org in the digital
> library. There was a series of exchanges in SIGMOD after the Third
> Manifesto was published. Now if you're uncomfortable with refereed
> exchanges, stick with Date/Pascal's Database Debunking site. There you'll
> get the true faith, and come to understand why UML and XML are such rubbish
> when exposed to the beauty of the relational model. :)

The three main manifestos that I know of can be found here:

1. The Object-Oriented Database System Manifesto http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/clamen/OODBMS/

2a. Third-Generation Database System Manifesto ftp://s2k-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/postgres/papers/ERL-M90-28.ps.Z

2b. Comments on The Third-Generation Data Base System Manifesto ftp://cse.ogi.edu/pub/tech-reports/1991/012.ps.gz

3. The Third Manifesto
http://www.acm.org/sigmod/record/issues/9503/manifesto.ps

I guess it is the last one that you refer to?

Cheers,

akmal

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