Re: RFD to split comp.databases.oracle <----------------------

Excellent job guys.....you both obviously did a lot of hard work!

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: REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
: unmoderated group comp.databases.oracle.misc (renames
: comp.databases.oracle)
: unmoderated group comp.databases.oracle.admin
: unmoderated group comp.databases.oracle.tools
: unmoderated group comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
 

: Newsgroups lines:
: comp.databases.oracle.misc Oracle related topics.
: comp.databases.oracle.admin Oracle database/server administration.
: comp.databases.oracle.tools Oracle software tools/applications.
: comp.databases.oracle.marketplace Oracle-related jobs, etc.
 

: RATIONALE: all groups
 

: The group comp.databases.oracle exists for posting a wide variety of
: articles related to the Oracle database and associated tools. This
: is an active group with 100 to 300 articles posted each day. The
: articles are generally quite specific, dealing with the Oracle
: database, administration of databases, management of tables,
: optimization of indexes, problems related to Oracle Forms,
: development tools in general, ways to improve screen design and so
: on. There are also a large number of postings on Oracle related
: jobs. The separation of these topics into relevant groups will
: improve the efficiency of these groups. It will facilitate reading
: and answering articles for those who have a more specific area of
: interest. A straw poll taken within the comp.databases.oracle
: newsgroup indicates that a large majority favors splitting the
: group.
 

: RATIONALE: rename comp.databases.oracle to
: comp.databases.oracle.misc
 

: This group will provide a forum for topics which do not fall within
: any more specific comp.databases.oracle subgroup. Renaming the
: group should better define the subjects of articles posted there.
: The .misc suffix will help people reading the newsgroup understand
: that it is a catch-all for miscellaneous topics.
 

: The straw poll indicated that many preferred to keep
: comp.databases.oracle, with no name change. However, a larger
: percentage preferred to rename the group. This has been a topic of
: heated discussions in other groups within the Usenet. It is the
: decision of the proponents to go with the majority, with the hope
: that this will not cause too much controversy here.
 

: RATIONALE: comp.databases.oracle.admin
 

: This group will be a channel for database-administration-specific
: topics, a major area of Oracle discussions. The suffix, "admin" was
: chosen since this newsgroup will be especially of interest to
: database administrators.

I would rather see this named comp.databases.oracle.dba

: RATIONALE: comp.databases.oracle.tools
 

: This group will provide a forum to discuss the wide range of tools
: and applications available from or for Oracle, which is now a major
: area of interest and generates much newsgroup traffic.
 

: RATIONALE: comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
 

: This newsgroup should provide a specific place for those interested
: in the Oracle-related job market, as well as any other Oracle-
: related products and services for sale or wanted. Creation of this
: group will provide relief to the many readers of the newsgroup who
: are annoyed by the large number of commercial advertisement
: postings.
 

: CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.misc
 

: Comp.databases.oracle.misc is a newsgroup where topics generally
: related to the use of software from Oracle Corporation may be
: posted. This group provides a forum for topics which do not fall
: within any of the more specific comp.databases.oracle subgroups.
 

: This newsgroup is not intended as a marketplace where employment
: advertisements or commercial announcements may be posted. These
: should be directed to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace (unless it
: is not created by the CFV).
 

: CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.admin
 

: Comp.databases.oracle.admin is a newsgroup to discuss Oracle server
: administration subjects. These include discussions of interest to
: database administrators and system administrators.
 

: The following list is a sample of topics which are included in this
: newsgroup:
: Oracle database or server installation
: Database creation and development
: Database administration
: Database tuning
: Techniques for more efficient access
: Importing and Exporting data

Import and Export are Oracle utilities and thus should probably be placed in the .tools subgroup,

Database tuning includes tuning of sql statements, perhaps tuning then should be moved to .misc? Same could probably be said for access techniques

: CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.tools
 

: Comp.databases.oracle.tools is a newsgroup provided for discussion
: of software applications and tools available from Oracle
: Corporation, or designed to work with Oracle applications.
: Applications developers will find this most useful.
 

: This group includes but is not limited to articles discussing
: applications and topics such as the following:
: Oracle Developer 2000 (Forms, Reports, Graphics)
: Designer 2000
: SQL Plus
: Training and books

Training and books are not 'Oracle Tools'. These should probably be included in .misc rather than tools. This list should include SQLLoader, ProC, Import/Export, and perhaps the Web Browser data.

: Due to the wide variety of applications which are discussed in this
: group, each article title should begin with the application it
: involves (examples: Forms4.5: Reports2.5: SQL/Plus: etc.) Do
: not use the more general titles such as "Designer 2000". Do not use
: general titles such as "A simple question".

This may not be practical. Often, newsreaders limit the number of characters you can enter in your reference title. Eating up that limited number with subgroup names may not be feasible for all of us.

: CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
 

: Comp.databases.oracle.marketplace is a newsgroup provided for
: commercially oriented articles, including those covered by the
: following topics:
: jobs available
: positions wanted
: services offered
: software or hardware wanted or available for sale
: books and other literature available
: announcements of new products
 

: Posting jobs available to any other comp.databases.oracle newsgroups
: should be avoided.
 

: CHARTER: all groups (This is to be added to each charter.)
 

: Cross-posting articles to multiple comp.databases.oracle.*
: newsgroups should be avoided. If there is any question as to which
: group should be used, post to comp.databases.oracle.misc (assuming
: it is created). While some news servers deliver a cross-posted
: article to the reader only once, many others deliver the article an
: additional time for each group the reader accesses.
 

: END CHARTER:
I remain opposed to the split for this reason and others. My own news group does not eliminate crosspostings. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) Oracle is a very integrated product and many times the questions and solutions cross categories. But we will have to wait and see how things work out I suppose.

: This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation
: guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
: "How to Make a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents
: if you have questions about the process.

Good job guys....despite my own objections! rick Received on Wed May 22 1996 - 00:00:00 CEST