Re: SAP Bashing----------> TRUTH
Date: 1996/03/11
Message-ID: <4i0fe0$svb_at_dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
From: ckan_at_ix.netcom.com(Casper Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
Subject: Re: SAP TRASHING! ------------> THE TRUTH
References: <4h060h$2gd_at_news.cyberspy.com> <4hn09r$6bj_at_dns.plano.net>
<31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com>
Hi,
Obviously, you have been hearing only the negative aspects of SAP R/3. I have been working with the R/3 product(for more than 3 years now) which by the way is extremely rich in business functional features. Before this, I was working on Oracle Applications, ASK, etc for quite a while. Overall, I have never seen a more complete solution for than R/3 had to offer in terms of features and applications integration. Successful companies would always get bashed by their competitors. Many companies are taking full advantage of the SAP product to assist them with the Business Process Reengineering Process, and perhaps you have only heard about the 5% of the other projects which are driven a lot by company cultural habits which creates struggles for political reasons, mismanaged by the customers themselves or implementors, etc.
The statement "SAP is only for consultants" is so untrue........I had heard the same few years ago about Oracle......"Oracle is only for consultants". I had actually found SAP to be very easy to learn and intuitively design. As far as performance is concern, I had one customer switching from Oracle-Appls. to SAP and they were extremely pleased with the results ever since they had gone live 3 months ago.
I have seen a lot of successful R/3 projects ranging from large corporations that implemented in 3 months to some other more challenging projects which took about one year. I've been in all kinds of projects (SAP.Oracle,ASK,ROSS) and when managed properly, your software implementation can be very successful and the software can only be used as a vehicle for your B.P.R. process. One of the Fortune 500 companies that I have dealt with, found that the SAP-implementation has a very big advantage on their R.O.I. (Return On Investment) as high as $50 million per year. It's worth it..............
regards.........Casper
In <31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com> Ravi Garg <scrgarg_at_mcimail.com> writes:
>
>Richard Long wrote:
>>
>> hill_at_cyberspy.com (J.D. Hill) wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone have any NEGATIVE comments on SAP.
>> >
>> SAP is for consultants. They will reccommened the product so that
>> they can spend the next two years installing it. Expect to spend
alot
>> on consulting. Also SAP requires your company to do business the
SAP
>> way, ie dates, timetables, precesses - it does not customize to the
>> users needs except at great consulting expense. The network
>> archetechure can get slow, check it out carefully.
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>I firmly believe in deploying standard application software packages
in
>a business system. Most organizations are successful not because of
>their application systems but because of how they use their
application
>systems.
>
>Business systems are mostly similar in all walks of life. Inventory,
>MRP, Manufacturing, Sales & Distribution, Accounting, AP/AR are all
>there. I do not see why SAP consultants should be taking two years to
>install this software.
>
>I have gone through this myself with BPCS and Fourth Shift in about
6-9
>months where mostly my time was spent in BPR,data migration and
parallel
>runs.
>
>Advantage you get in using such prepackaged core applications is that
>your company is up and running these in a short time. Then we address
>the specific issues in your business processes outside this canned
>solution through EDI interfacs and like.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ravi
From: ckan_at_ix.netcom.com(Casper Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
Subject: Re: SAP TRASHING! ------------> THE TRUTH
References: <4h060h$2gd_at_news.cyberspy.com> <4hn09r$6bj_at_dns.plano.net>
<31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com>
Hi,
Obviously, you have been hearing only the negative aspects of SAP R/3. I have been working with the R/3 product(for more than 3 years now) which by the way is extremely rich in business functional features. Before this, I was working on Oracle Applications, ASK, etc for quite a while. Overall, I have never seen a more complete solution for than R/3 had to offer in terms of features and applications integration. Successful companies would always get bashed by their competitors. Many companies are taking full advantage of the SAP product to assist them with the Business Process Reengineering Process, and perhaps you have only heard about the 5% of the other projects which are driven a lot by company cultural habits which creates struggles for political reasons, mismanaged by the customers themselves or implementors, etc.
The statement "SAP is only for consultants" is so untrue........I had heard the same few years ago about Oracle......"Oracle is only for consultants". I had actually found SAP to be very easy to learn and intuitively design. As far as performance is concern, I had one customer switching from Oracle-Appls. to SAP and they were extremely pleased with the results ever since they had gone live 3 months ago.
I have seen a lot of successful R/3 projects ranging from large corporations that implemented in 3 months to some other more challenging projects which took about one year. I've been in all kinds of projects (SAP.Oracle,ASK,ROSS) and when managed properly, your software implementation can be very successful and the software can only be used as a vehicle for your B.P.R. process. One of the Fortune 500 companies that I have dealt with, found that the SAP-implementation has a very big advantage on their R.O.I. (Return On Investment) as high as $50 million per year. It's worth it..............
regards.........Casper
In <31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com> Ravi Garg <scrgarg_at_mcimail.com> writes:
>
>Richard Long wrote:
>>
>> hill_at_cyberspy.com (J.D. Hill) wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone have any NEGATIVE comments on SAP.
>> >
>> SAP is for consultants. They will reccommened the product so that
>> they can spend the next two years installing it. Expect to spend
alot
>> on consulting. Also SAP requires your company to do business the
SAP
>> way, ie dates, timetables, precesses - it does not customize to the
>> users needs except at great consulting expense. The network
>> archetechure can get slow, check it out carefully.
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>I firmly believe in deploying standard application software packages
in
>a business system. Most organizations are successful not because of
>their application systems but because of how they use their
application
>systems.
>
>Business systems are mostly similar in all walks of life. Inventory,
>MRP, Manufacturing, Sales & Distribution, Accounting, AP/AR are all
>there. I do not see why SAP consultants should be taking two years to
>install this software.
>
>I have gone through this myself with BPCS and Fourth Shift in about
6-9
>months where mostly my time was spent in BPR,data migration and
parallel
>runs.
>
>Advantage you get in using such prepackaged core applications is that
>your company is up and running these in a short time. Then we address
>the specific issues in your business processes outside this canned
>solution through EDI interfacs and like.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ravi
From: ckan_at_ix.netcom.com(Casper Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
Subject: Re: SAP TRASHING! ------------> THE TRUTH
References: <4h060h$2gd_at_news.cyberspy.com> <4hn09r$6bj_at_dns.plano.net>
<31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com>
Hi,
Obviously, you have been hearing only the negative aspects of SAP R/3. I have been working with the R/3 product(for more than 3 years now) which by the way is extremely rich in business functional features. Before this, I was working on Oracle Applications, ASK, etc for quite a while. Overall, I have never seen a more complete solution for than R/3 had to offer in terms of features and applications integration. Successful companies would always get bashed by their competitors. Many companies are taking full advantage of the SAP product to assist them with the Business Process Reengineering Process, and perhaps you have only heard about the 5% of the other projects which are driven a lot by company cultural habits which creates struggles for political reasons, mismanaged by the customers themselves or implementors, etc.
The statement "SAP is only for consultants" is so untrue........I had heard the same few years ago about Oracle......"Oracle is only for consultants". I had actually found SAP to be very easy to learn and intuitively design. As far as performance is concern, I had one customer switching from Oracle-Appls. to SAP and they were extremely pleased with the results ever since they had gone live 3 months ago.
I have seen a lot of successful R/3 projects ranging from large corporations that implemented in 3 months to some other more challenging projects which took about one year. I've been in all kinds of projects (SAP.Oracle,ASK,ROSS) and when managed properly, your software implementation can be very successful and the software can only be used as a vehicle for your B.P.R. process. One of the Fortune 500 companies that I have dealt with, found that the SAP-implementation has a very big advantage on their R.O.I. (Return On Investment) as high as $50 million per year. It's worth it..............
regards.........Casper
In <31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com> Ravi Garg <scrgarg_at_mcimail.com> writes:
>
>Richard Long wrote:
>>
>> hill_at_cyberspy.com (J.D. Hill) wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone have any NEGATIVE comments on SAP.
>> >
>> SAP is for consultants. They will reccommened the product so that
>> they can spend the next two years installing it. Expect to spend
alot
>> on consulting. Also SAP requires your company to do business the
SAP
>> way, ie dates, timetables, precesses - it does not customize to the
>> users needs except at great consulting expense. The network
>> archetechure can get slow, check it out carefully.
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>I firmly believe in deploying standard application software packages
in
>a business system. Most organizations are successful not because of
>their application systems but because of how they use their
application
>systems.
>
>Business systems are mostly similar in all walks of life. Inventory,
>MRP, Manufacturing, Sales & Distribution, Accounting, AP/AR are all
>there. I do not see why SAP consultants should be taking two years to
>install this software.
>
>I have gone through this myself with BPCS and Fourth Shift in about
6-9
>months where mostly my time was spent in BPR,data migration and
parallel
>runs.
>
>Advantage you get in using such prepackaged core applications is that
>your company is up and running these in a short time. Then we address
>the specific issues in your business processes outside this canned
>solution through EDI interfacs and like.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ravi
From: ckan_at_ix.netcom.com(Casper Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
Subject: Re: SAP TRASHING! ------------> THE TRUTH
References: <4h060h$2gd_at_news.cyberspy.com> <4hn09r$6bj_at_dns.plano.net>
<31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com>
Hi,
Obviously, you have been hearing only the negative aspects of SAP R/3. I have been working with the R/3 product(for more than 3 years now) which by the way is extremely rich in business functional features. Before this, I was working on Oracle Applications, ASK, etc for quite a while. Overall, I have never seen a more complete solution for than R/3 had to offer in terms of features and applications integration. Successful companies would always get bashed by their competitors. Many companies are taking full advantage of the SAP product to assist them with the Business Process Reengineering Process, and perhaps you have only heard about the 5% of the other projects which are driven a lot by company cultural habits which creates struggles for political reasons, mismanaged by the customers themselves or implementors, etc.
The statement "SAP is only for consultants" is so untrue........I had heard the same few years ago about Oracle......"Oracle is only for consultants". I had actually found SAP to be very easy to learn and intuitively design. As far as performance is concern, I had one customer switching from Oracle-Appls. to SAP and they were extremely pleased with the results ever since they had gone live 3 months ago.
I have seen a lot of successful R/3 projects ranging from large corporations that implemented in 3 months to some other more challenging projects which took about one year. I've been in all kinds of projects (SAP.Oracle,ASK,ROSS) and when managed properly, your software implementation can be very successful and the software can only be used as a vehicle for your B.P.R. process. One of the Fortune 500 companies that I have dealt with, found that the SAP-implementation has a very big advantage on their R.O.I. (Return On Investment) as high as $50 million per year. It's worth it..............
regards.........Casper
In <31427057.6BD2_at_mcimail.com> Ravi Garg <scrgarg_at_mcimail.com> writes:
>
>Richard Long wrote:
>>
>> hill_at_cyberspy.com (J.D. Hill) wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone have any NEGATIVE comments on SAP.
>> >
>> SAP is for consultants. They will reccommened the product so that
>> they can spend the next two years installing it. Expect to spend
alot
>> on consulting. Also SAP requires your company to do business the
SAP
>> way, ie dates, timetables, precesses - it does not customize to the
>> users needs except at great consulting expense. The network
>> archetechure can get slow, check it out carefully.
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>I firmly believe in deploying standard application software packages
in
>a business system. Most organizations are successful not because of
>their application systems but because of how they use their
application
>systems.
>
>Business systems are mostly similar in all walks of life. Inventory,
>MRP, Manufacturing, Sales & Distribution, Accounting, AP/AR are all
>there. I do not see why SAP consultants should be taking two years to
>install this software.
>
>I have gone through this myself with BPCS and Fourth Shift in about
6-9
>months where mostly my time was spent in BPR,data migration and
parallel
>runs.
>
>Advantage you get in using such prepackaged core applications is that
>your company is up and running these in a short time. Then we address
>the specific issues in your business processes outside this canned
>solution through EDI interfacs and like.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ravi
Received on Mon Mar 11 1996 - 00:00:00 CET