Re: Schema modeling tools?

I think ERWin and BPWin are fine tools for some needs, especially if you need IDEF support (e.g. US Federal government in some cases); I like the company as well (my brother works there!). However, I don't think there are any people within Oracle who use these tools except on projects where it is mandated by the customer. Designer/2000 is a great modeling tool, and it generates and reverse engineers not only database schemas (as does ERWin), but also applications (which ERWin does not). Designer/2000 sells for $3995 in the US, although maintenance is a little higher than ERWin plus BPWin (which is not surprising given that Designer/2000 has so much functionality that ERWin/BPWin do not have, like a real multiuser repository, functional modeling, Developer/2000 code generation and reverse engineering, and much more). In the past six months, we have added Visual Basic code generation, computer-based training, cue cards, and much more to Designer/2000. Over the next six months, you should expect to see MS Help generation, WWW page generation, C++ DML object generation, Graphics generation, and much more from Designer/2000, so you also get a lot of new functionality through our support contracts.

Anyone considering a new project should absolutely look at both toolsets. Some customers may even find that a mix of the two product offerings is best for them, and to facilitate that we have worked with LogicWorks to ensure that their tool can run off Designer/2000's repository.

Good luck!

In article <48p8lp$bot_at_newsbf02.news.aol.com> egg100year_at_aol.com (Egg100year) writes:
>It is my understanding that many within Oracle Corp. prefer ERWin and
>BPWin of Logicworks over their own Oracle 2000 suite. The key: ease of
>use and direct support from the vendor - they actually prioritize
>modifications on general utility rather than the client's membership in
>Fortune 500.
>
>The double pack - BPWin/ERWin, I obtained for $5k - with $1k maintenance
>(meaning huge semiannual releases of well thought-out enhancements).
>
>ORAWin - or whatever - is another of their products specifically for
>porting in and out whatever oracle muck yuz got yr self into.
>

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