Re: Oracle and Non-Green Card Indians

David Smith,

Sorry, but I'm new on NEWS that'S why I don't have one answer.

>>Or do you just hang out in those green towers in Redwood Shores playing
>>find the curry sauce?
>
> I rather like curry. Is this one of those "cultural barriers" you
> were talking about earlier?

I apparently misunderstood the INDIAN. You meant INDIANS from INDIA. That still makes them human.

>
> Would the average American CS grad be fluent in several languages?
> Other American CS grads seem to get hired there all the time.
>

Good point!! The average European graduate is and so is the avarage graduate form India.

>>: I'd rather hire an above average Computer Science graduate than an average
>>: one. If you're average, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell here.
>>: If you're _way_ above average, you can make the team and who gives a toss
>>: what color your skin is.
>>
 

>>: >Would they be worse at it? Are the Indians racially
>>: >superior?
 

>>: Don't know, but the ones I've worked with have been pretty damned
>>: impressive, and I'm _not_ an easy judge.

I totally agree with that. And due to my experience the Indians have an excellent education and the products they develop even in India under the circumstances they have is often better than comparable developments in Europe. I can't speak for the US but I suppose it's simmilar.

>>: >I ask you Oracle advocates of the world.
 

>>: David Duke is looking for a speechwriter - that's more your speed. Here,
>>: you have demonstrated an inability to work with some of my team.
>>
>>Dave "If you are not for non-resident, pre-Green card, Indians coming over
>>here and taking tons of nice desirable comoputer science jobs at below
>>market wages, then you must be Hitler" Criswell
>

David Smith, it's you who sounds like Hitler and not Criswell. Believe me we have to deal with everything that happend during the 3rd Reich for 13 years of school. Where we by the way have to learn at least two foreign languages.

> They aren't working for below market wages. While I admit the Duke
> reference was carrying things a bit far, this is still racist
> pandering.
>
>>aka David "If I get smug enough and extreme enough, maybe people will forget
>>about all the tons of Indians taking jobs from Americans, thanks to the
>>Oracle Corporation hiring practices" Criswell
>
> Why would I be trying to make people forget anything? Which Indians
> are taking jobs from Americans? Which jobs are for Americans?
>
>>: Dave Criswell
 

>>: P.S. You've also offended many of the Senior VP's and managers who
>>: might hire you.
>>
>>Well, then have the ones I haven't offended give me a call.

I don't hope that anybody will give you a job under these circumstances. It would really disquallify the company. I would not like to work for them. You should more likely rethink your views and appologize publically.

>
> If you can't learn to work with Indians, or have particular qualms
> about immigrants, you won't like it here. I don't believe there
> are any groups here which are all "American".

That's at least what I leaned at school. Isn't Americal the country of all abilities. From the dishwasher to the millionaire after immigration. What's your background, David Smith? I suppose that you are not a Native American so your family immigrated ones as well. What had ahppend if peopled had reacted the same way at that time.

>
> The only thing that you've put out in the way of qualifications
> here is that you are an American. This will not impress anyone.
>

What makes somebody an American. The passport or the American way. If it is the last think I would not consider David Smith an American. But I hope he will reconsider his views.  

>>: P.P.S. Don't even think of applying at Gupta.
>>
>>Do they prefer to hire around the immigration laws like your employer,
>>Oracle Corporation?
>
> Do tell where they are "working around" anything. The comment was
> aimed on getting you to look hard at the name of the company, and
> realize who it is that's providing jobs for Americans.
>
> ObSheesh: Sheesh!
>
> Dave Criswell

David Smith, please listen to David Criswell becaus as you might have noticed somebody from Sybase answered to you as well. And the computer business is rather small. People now each other and they talk about somethink like you did.

You are lucky that you have a very common family name. But I bet that very many companies will be carefull with people that share your name.

Stop dishonaring it.

Yours

Yvonne Baumer, Germany Received on Thu Nov 17 1994 - 15:56:54 CET