Re: Free database tools announcements - invitation to discussion

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no_at_spam.com wrote:

> In article <1087873632.446652_at_yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...
>

[Quoted] >>But once again you have avoided, as do the spammers, directly addressing
>>the issue I raise. What is the harm to someone making an announcement
>>in c.d.o.marketplace? How is it an imposition to them?
>> 

Agreed. So how does posting to c.d.o.marketplace impose a hardship on the author. Those that want to see announcements will look there. Those [Quoted] that don't won't. They call that target marketing.

In fact, the fact that a lot of people will
> benefit, and that he can make a difference, is usually the motivation for
> the freeware author.

Who decides who will benefit from the offering of a product or service? The promoter or the purchaser/consumer? You are weighing in on the side of letting the vendor make that decision. I am weighing in on the side of protecting the usenet group and letting the consumers (us) make the decision.

[Quoted] > As many/most people here have acknowledged, c.d.o.marketplace is a blackhole.

Really? So what you are saying is that no one here wants to view [Quoted] promotional postings? If that is the case then that should be respected. [Quoted] When I hang up the phone on a telemarketer that does not give them the right to come knock on my door.

> Most people interested in tools visit the tools group, not the marketplace
> group.

No. Most people understand that tools means Oracle tools ... not [Quoted] third-party tools. But lets try it your way. I will start posting things about Informatica, Crystal Reports, Cognos, Brio, PeopleSoft, SAP, Baan, Bea, TOAD, SQL*Navigator, every product in the product line of Computer Associates and BMC. Heck lets throw in TORA, and hundreds of others. After all ... they are all tools that work with Oracle. Shouldn't they get equal rights?

[Quoted] [Quoted] Hey Microsoft's MS Access can be used to front-end Oracle Apps. How about promotions for MS Access? And SQL Server can be used to extract data too. How about promotions for SQL Server?

[Quoted] [Quoted] Is that really what you want? Promotions from everyone that can spell the word Oracle? I hope not!

  If the marketplace group is the only outlet then there is no point
> spending any time writing useful, free tools.

And if there is no god then there is no point in being honest and decent so lets all go on a homicidal rampage and smash David Bowie albums.

Surely you don't believe what you wrote.

  It is a waste of time. The
> author may give up on the idea, and the community misses out on a useful,
> free tool.

[Quoted] Or the author could just post to c.d.o.marketplace and let those [Quoted] [Quoted] interested tell the user community. Or the authors could post a reference to their tool in responding to a legitimate request for [Quoted] help in a different c.d.o usenet group. Or the author could get [Quoted] their tool written up in Oracle Magazine. Or the author could go [Quoted] to a user group meeting and demo the tool. Or the author could do [Quoted] a zillion other things. Heck I'll post any decent and useful tool at http://www.psoug.org and not one has ever been submitted nor asked to present at a meeting. And the PSOUG web site gets a lot more traffic than all these usenet groups combined.

Sorry but I'm not buying the argument. As far as I am concerned they are all just spammers trying to get something for nothing. Every one hoping to charge for their product when, and if, they can.

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