Re: Oracle sucks on NT, was Re: 8.5 OPINION
Date: 1998/12/10
Message-ID: <366FE9DA.5EC32621_at_data-pointnospam.com>#1/1
Eugene Fan wrote:
> >I noticed a lot of pro-Oracle people are also very anti-Microsoft
> >(well, who isn't anti-M$ these days?), is that where you are coming
> >from? I personally have little affection for either of them.
I am only as anti-Microsoft as Windows is un-innovative and a work-of-art. So, what are our options at this point in time? I am as pro-Oracle as their tool's ability to understand and work well with a well designed and constrained Oracle database.
> >What is a good tool? I'm caught in the "Grass is Greener on the Other
> >Side" syndrome, so a good tool is whatever I haven't used. I heard
> >good things about PowerBuilder, but that was a couple of years back
> >and probably no longer relevant. Heard good things about ERwin,
> >haven't used it. Heard good things about Visual Basic, until the
> >recent version 6. But I've used Oracle Forms and Reports for years
> >and I don't have a high opinion of them.
[Quoted] [Quoted] Hmmm, so you don't like anything that you have used. I have developed some incredible things with Dev2k. Wonder why you aren't getting rave results?
> >IMNSHO, Oracle Forms & Reports are great for building "quick and dirty"
> >database applications. To coworkers, I described Forms as a
> >"knockoff of Visual Basic that's especially geared towards accessing
> >databases", especially, surprise, Oracle's.
[Quoted] [Quoted] I have had success with "quick and dirty" as well a 'complex and clean.'
> >However, you might've missed the beginning of this subthread where I
> >recounted the "heap corrupting, stack trashing fun" of running Oracle client
> >building tools on Windows. Guess I forgot "memory leaking", but it was
> >obvious my problems were memory-related; they had NOTHING to do with
> >not understanding Oracle concepts or database design, of which I am
> >quite well-versed in, thank you.
> >And before you lay the blame of memory mismanagement entirely at the
> >feet of Windows, think about this: Why is it that almost every time I run
> >Form Builder 5.0 and Forms Runtime, I get a blue screen or other total
> >system crash before reaching the end of the day, sometimes several times
> >in a single day? On days when I'm running other programs instead of
> >Oracle, this almost never happens. And this is on a pentium 166 Mhz
> >pc with 64 MB RAM. On my humble 32 MB, 75 Mhz PC at home, where
> >I don't run Oracle, wipeouts don't happen often. And if you ever try to
> >load BOTH Forms and Reports 3.0 Builder at the same time, say good night.
> >Things improved noticeably when I upgraded from Win 95 to NT 4, to
> >233 Mhz PII, same 64 MB RAM. At least I don't get blue screens any
> >more and reboot a lot less. And if I run out of memory, NT usually
> >just kills the new app I try to start. But even NT is not immune from
> >Oracle's delterious effects on memory. I mentioned how once I
> >temporarily lost the ability to access the a: floppy drive.
> >Another time, some shared component in memory got whacked so I
> >couldn't run any Oracle programs at all until I rebooted.
Never used Windows 95. I only had problems on my AST Bravo 5133 w/NT when I opened [Quoted] [Quoted] both Forms and Reports. However, my users have not had problems using the .fmx files and FRUN. I do remember not being able to open multilple apps (Oracle or not) well on the AST when it was Windows 3.1 even though it had plenty of RAM until someone did some high-mem dinking. Then it was amazing. I wonder why you are [Quoted] having so many problems and I am not. I now have an HP Kayak with 256 RAM. But [Quoted] some of my users have only 32.
> >While NT deserves blame for not being robust enough to completely
> >contain Oracle's memory hogging and leaking habits, that
> >does not exonerate Oracle from committing those sins in the first.
Oracle could smooth out the edges a bit but Dev2k is a very powerful tool if you have powerful ideas. rq Received on Thu Dec 10 1998 - 00:00:00 CET