Re: DataGuard Broker opinions please.

Fair point, there are quite a few bugs.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is a danger that it becomes widely accepted "urban legend" that BCT and DG do not play well together.
Likely that may have been the case in older versions, but generally Oracle corporation do get round to fixing these bugs eventually. We've switched over with BCT and DG on both 11.2 and 12.1 may times without problems (touch wood!)
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On 1 November 2017 at 14:20, Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> This behaviour is highly version dependent. In 11.2 (esp < 11.2.0.4 )
> there are a number of quite serious bugs that can result in either hangs or
> crashes when BCT is enabled at the standby including during switchover.
> Search MOS bug database for "BCT standby" to see a few. You are correct
> that BCT, and therefore fast incremental backups at the standby site are a
> part of Active DataGuard (even if the standby isn't open). If you have the
> pleasure of being audited and have switched over from one site to another
> and back again, it's quite likely that the standby database (and therefore
> the primary) will show up as being liable for an ADG license since the use
> of BCT when the standby wasn't a standby will be recorded. It's worth
> having records of your switchover operations to hand to talk this one
> through with LMS.
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Patrick Jolliffe <jolliffe_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen that before. Any bug number or is it documented anywhere?
>> What I have seen is that when role switches from primary to standby, BCT
>> is automatically disabled by DG (for license compliance - BCT on standby is
>> part of active dataguard if I recall correctly).
>> When role switches back, it does not get automatically re-enabled - we
>> handle this via a database trigger
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1 November 2017 at 09:21, Mohammad Rafiq <rafiq9857_at_hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If any one is using change block tracking ON, Must disable on prod
>>> database before switch over. Otherwise it will keep hanging.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rafiq
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't agree more with the general consensus of the replies so far.
>>> Whenever I encounter a standby database environment that doesn't have the
>>> broker setup, first thing I question is why they're not using it.
>>>
>>> I'm usually not a fan of one-command-do-it-all-automatic type of
>>> things, but in the broker's case it's somewhat different since it's highly
>>> transparent. I always do a switchover / failover like this:
>>>
>>> - Connect to the primary server and run a tail -f on the alert log
>>> - Connect to the standby server and run a tail -f on the alert log
>>> - Fire up the broker, run a couple show database verbose, etc and then
>>> run the switchover.
>>>
>>> You can neatly follow the progress and see everything it's doing. If
>>> anything goes wrong, you'll see exactly why and what fails. On top of that,
>>> the DRC logs are also highly detailed.
>>>
>>> All in all, it's a great tool and should be part of every standby
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Nassyam Basha <nassyambasha_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forget the customer systems, even in my test machines, i manage only
>>>> with Broker. Even I suggest using Data Guard broker to all the customer
>>>> whomever I work.
>>>>
>>>> DG Broker considered as a lousy product but in fact, it is a very
>>>> beautiful utility and simple to manage. Even the troubleshooting is also
>>>> simplified with broker.
>>>>
>>>> The main challenge is when managing with Broker then we should not use
>>>> SQL*Plus to manage Data Guard. for example, we have to change the parameter
>>>> standby_file_management from AUTO to MANUAL, then being lazy DBA the
>>>> command issued from SQL*Plus. Then it creates inconsistency and also we can
>>>> see the warnings in the broker configuration.
>>>>
>>>> I hardly remember the commands, again we have the beautiful "help" like
>>>> for other utilities GDSCTL, srvctl etc and everytime I use the syntax by
>>>> help only. if we manage broker smoothly then it is definitely your best
>>>> mate. :)
>>>>
>>>> DGMGRL> help edit database
>>>> Edits a configuration, database, or instance
>>>> Syntax:
>>>> EDIT CONFIGURATION SET PROTECTION MODE AS
>>>> {MaxProtection|MaxAvailability|MaxPerformance};
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Norman Dunbar <oracle_at_dunbar-it.co.uk
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Howard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used DG Broker on 11g for my last two contracts with no problems
>>>>> at all. We had the setup as one primary and one standby in a remote
>>>>> location for all production databases in one contract, and for my last we
>>>>> had the primary in Dublin with a Dublin based standby plus a separate DR
>>>>> standby in Amsterdam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux and Windows, DG works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Norm.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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