Re: Is a Query langauge really necessary in an OODB?

In article <38E7D739.A2CEEDD4_at_California.com>, Jim McKay <JMcKay_at_California.com> wrote:
>topmind wrote:
>
>> >> I know (from other posts/threads) you don't have much use
 for
 OO, but
>> >> an overriding principle of good OO design is: Object shall
 implement
>> >> their own behavior. The current crop of tools have it
 backwards.
>> >> Rather than the report generator using some method (SQL) to
 reach
>> >> inside my object (record),
>> >
>> >An SQL call is not reaching 'inside your object (record)',
 it's
 making a call
>> >to (usually) the DB engine. This is not anti OOP.
>> >
>>
>> Are you sure you want to open the messy door about what "OO"
 is
>> and is not?
>
> Well, as long as it's not w/the OOP A**H*** working in the
 next cubicle
> next to me <g>.
>
> Seriously, I just stopped by this NG to 'lurk'. It didn't
 seem to
> me that this thread was a 'what is OOP' thread. Usually, I
 don't
> post on those. Something must have come over me. It just
 seemed
> to me that the SQL contention was way out of context.
 Sometimes, classes
> are designed/created to CO-OPERATE (use other resources).
 I'd say SQL is
> a fairly commonly used resource these days. Taking offense
 to SQL script
> 'invading' your object is just a weird perspective, it seems
 to me.
>
>> (The definition seems to be a continuum IMO. IOW, it
>> is not all-or-nothing. For example, many agree that Smalltalk
 is
>> "more OO" than Java.)
>
> My primary tool is Delphi. I followed these type threads on
 BorPrise
> servers for several months until I basically heard it all.
 They come &
> go and last for weeks... same subjects as you mention.
> Most discussions seem to end up more as self justification
 than enlightenment.
> (IMHO). The Delphi model is perfect fodder for OO purists to
 pick apart.
> Nevertheless, it works VERY well, with few limitations for
 most mainstream
>tasks.
> Several Delphi 3rd party OOP DB's are right on the edge and
 being used
>productively.
>
> I'm very much interested in OOP theory and practical ideas,
 but not the 'my
>boat
> is bigger than your boat' OO wars.
>
> Regards,
> JMcKay
>

Just to clarify things, I am a self-described anti-fan of OO.

My anti-OO "rantings" can be found at:

http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

>
>> >JM
>> >
>> >
>> >> my object should create and pass a view of
>> >> itself to the report generator (which is responsible for
 layout). Thus
>> >> the 'generic' capability is not dependent upon a standard
 method (SQL)
>> >> of violating encapsulation.
>> >
>> >
>> >> --
>> >> Brian Price
>> >>
>>
>> -tmind-
>>
>> [snip]

Thanks, -tmind-

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