Re: Where do you get Oracle ?

Quite agree with you, Brian - test box only !!!!!

However, I always tend to think that formal training is the best way of doing things - used to be a DBA trainer, and some of the weird ideas that float around are utterly astonishing ! ;-))))))))))) Trouble always is, I think, that one day, they`ve got to sit down and write scripts which are going to get tested on a non - production database, and then make it to the live one - and it`s always great to think that they`re going to approach it from a formal background, rather than a "whizz-bang" approach ! ;-)))))))))

Everyone`s got to learn somewhere, sometime ! So, yes, production boxes only. Poor John seemed to believe that 5 days of SQL and PL/SQL course would make him a developer - no.

Dave

Brian Peasland wrote in message <39AA6659.ECF9EEB0_at_edcmail.cr.usgs.gov>...
>Dave,
>
>I consider myself a sane DBA and I let developers learn SQL & PL/SQL
>from scratch on some of my systems all the time. I would never consider
>this with a production database. But we have many development (or test)
>databases setup for a variety of uses. One of those uses is for learning
>as well! Just set them up a dummy schema (or use SCOTT/TIGER) and let
>them have at it. Who cares if they drop every table accidentally? And
>what's the worse that they can do? They are only limited to their own
>test schema. If one is really paranoid, then one can set up a seperate
>instance on a simple NT box just for this testing/learning purpose. Even
>if the developer causes something drastic to crash the database, no
>harm, no foul.
>
>After they've learned the ropes, we then let them start to spread their
>wings on other testing platforms. If I never let a developer learn SQL
>and PL/SQL then I'd be the only one in my shop who knows it and I'd have
>to do all the coding on my own.
>
>Just my 3.14159265 cents worth,
>Brian
>
>
>d_a_francis_at_yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Whoa ! Hang on - if he goes off and learns PL - do I spot a DANGEROUS
>> situation here ??????
>>
>> Don`t know about you, but as a DBA, the one thing which fills me with
 utter
>> DREAD is underqualified developers getting their hands on my database. In
>> fact, I`d say that I`d personally kill and eat family members before
 letting
>> anyone near any of my DB`s (Sorry - MY Db`s - I`m a DBA, after all
 ;-))) )
>> who`s "read a book on PL/SQL"
>>
>> And you don`t start with PL/SQL - you start with SQL ! Sorry.........
>>
>> The answer to the original question is to get your company to send you on
 a
>> SPECIFIC Oracle developers` course, which includes (in this order) SQL,
>> PL/SQL and PL for Oracle Development. No sane DBA would let you near a
 live
>> or test database otherwise........
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Alun Coppack wrote in message <8o38cc$edj$1_at_bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>...
>> >I downloaded Wedbd and JDeveloper from technet , through a firewall, in
>> >Australia at over 25k/s per connection. Downloading Jdeveloper in
 multiple
>> >parts I was able to have all of them going at 25k/s.
>> >
>> >Alun
>> >Niall Litchfield <n-litchfield_at_audit-commission.gov.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:8o0ipp$fhp$1_at_soap.pipex.net...
>> >> works for me
>> >>
>> >> I agree though that dl speeds are *very* inconsistent - though they
 seem
 to
>> >> have improved in the last 3-6 weeks.
>> >> --
>> >> Niall Litchfield
>> >> Oracle DBA
>> >> Audit Commission UK
>> >> "Michael Harrison" <harrisonm7_at_home.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:mu65qsgep8e41iqrq5gi92cgub1c5b3kt4_at_4ax.com...
>> >> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:18:41 +1000, "Howard J. Rogers"
>> >> > <howardjr_at_www.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >"Adrian Shepherd" <theshepherds_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >news:KHso5.8305$Xg.82694_at_news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> > >> Dont count on anything greater than a couple of KB/s when
 downloading
 from
>> >> > >> Oracle. My d/l log shows a measly 0.4k/s transfer speed (over
 Cable),
 the
>> >> > >> transfer rate has been abysmal for a couple of weeks both from
 the
 U.K.
 ,
>> >> > >> U.S and in Australia. If you still want to try and d/l it, get
 yourself a
>> >> > >> good d/l manager such as getright or gozilla. Prepare to wait.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Strange, it took me around an hour and a half to download Lite AND
 the
>> >> > >Enterprise Edition.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Like I said, get a friend with a good office connection.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Clearly, Adrian has a 56K modem on a bad day with a dodgy ISP.
>> >> > >HJR
>> >> >
>> >> > I was able to download the Enterprise Edition of Oracle 8 in about 2
>> >> > or 3 hours on my cable modem.
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't even try downloading from Oracle if you are behind a firewall,
>> >> > it just doesn't work for some reason, even if your firewall allows
 FTP
>> >> > traffic. (at least it doesnt' work at all on my company's network)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>--
>========================================
>Brian Peasland
>Raytheons Systems at
> USGS EROS Data Center
>These opinions are my own and do not
>necessarily reflect the opinions of my
>company!
>========================================
Received on Mon Aug 28 2000 - 22:19:31 CEST