Re: Is there anybody using this discussion group at all?

From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 00:54:17 -0000 (UTC)
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 20:35:20 +1000, Noons wrote:

> On 11/05/2016 1:13 _at_wiz, Mladen Gogala wrote:

>> Still, this is the only place where it is possible to publish some
>> things. For instance, Jonathan Lewis published his thinking about
>> scoring of the speakers on the conferences. I tried leaving a comment
>> on his blog, saying that scoring of the speakers should also include
>> the stoning option, since many of those "expert sessions" at the
>> conferences are just a huge waste of time and the angry attendees
>> should really have an option to stone the speaker, regardless of
>> whether he uttered the word "Jehova" or not. The comment has promptly
>> vanished from the Scratchpad, I wonder why.

> HAHA! Welcome to the club of the "Bad DBAs". :)
> We are so because we don't follow guru's gospel without question.
> And of course we are all "uneducated" because the best educator in the
> world (who has never taught a thing in his life) says so...
> Mind you: Jonathan at least does a lot of good stuff.
> I always have a lot of time for him - and quite a few others.
> Unlike other "table sitting bulls" (and cows) who have said nothing of
> any use in more than a decade. Other than join the "bad dba!" chorus.
> Ah well, wait for the comments that will for sure be part of a blog very
> soon now. One of the reasons I stopped blogging: not worth it...
> In fact, the entire "Oracle community" is not worth it. Hence why I
> stopped my activities.
> Say whatever you want but when 35 "active community members" confirm
> they are attending a meetup with Chris Date - one of the fathers of
> databases as we know them today - and only 7 show up in the day,
> something is veeeeeeery wrong.
> I actually ended up inviting the next door meetup of MSSQL DBAs to joins
> us and listen to Chris. They did, quite a few.
> Better yet: they knew full well who Chris was and why it was a unique
> opportunity. Unlike most of the "Oracle dba"s we had there...
> Ah well, I guess all that bull from Oracle and HP during the late 90s
> and early 00s that dbas were worthless has finally attracted some
> followers.
> Mind you: they also lost the best promoters of their RDBMS product. But
> don't listen to me, just read carefully their next financial
> statement... Talk about shooting one's foot off...

Hi Noons,
I love Jonathan's work, he really does do a lot of good work. I've attended several of his sessions and he is an excellent lecturer who really prepares his sessions and his materials. I do have a problem with the people who start their lectures with the Chicxulub impact and the history of the IT ever since, and devote less than half of the time alloted to the subject of the lesson. I have recently criticized a Youtube clip of that nature, much to the chagrin of Tanel Poder, who protested against my critique as being uncollegial. As for being a "bad DBA", I certainly hope so. I've built my credibility on being a computer geek who describes things as they are, without marketing veneer. I don't consider myself a businessman but a hard core geek, of the old school. That is why I will never become a member of that fabled furniture store, "The Oak Table", and I will probably never become an "Oracle Ace". Tanel is now a CEO of a company, which is not my ambition. I do, however, wish both him and Gluent the best of luck.

Aside from that fabled YT clip which caused Tanel to stop communicating with me, I've also seen "lectures" which are either a pure marketing stuff or regurgitated stuff from books and magazines. I will not name names, after all I live in the lawyer capital of the world and am aware of the danger, but lecture titles like "Secrets of Oracle Tuning" which cover automatic tuning from the EM and DBMS_SPM, along with the war stories of BCHR, are the reason to introduce stoning as an option. I was once very subversive and asked one such lecturer about the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow. His facial expression was an adequate substitute for stoning. He didn't know the answer, either. One has to know such things when teaching bogus tuning courses, you know.

BTW, the clip in question wasn't produced by Tanel. It was done by a colleague.

Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
Received on Thu May 12 2016 - 02:54:17 CEST

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