Re: Virtualization

From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 19:24:32 +0000, Drazen Kacar wrote:

> There is a contradiction here. If I'm reading you correctly, if I host
> something at Amazon's EC2, then I'm using the cloud because there is a
> third party provider which maintains VMs for me.
> But, if Amazon itself hosts something for its own purposes in that same
> EC2 infrastructure, then it's not in the cloud because there just isn't
> a third party provider that would maintain VMs for Amazon the company.

There is no Russell's paradox here. You are precisely right: if Amazon itself hosts something in the EC2, that isn't a cloud since that is in their own data center.

> I'm sure that Amazon can do some really fabulous things, but I'm not
> sure they can outsource to themselves. Or mabe they can, with enough
> creative accounting?

There is no outsourcing in this case, therefore, no cloud.

> Anyway, it seems to me that "a third party provider" isn't particularly
> useful feature if we want to determine whether something is or is not a
> cloud.

Well, would you like to share your definition with me? I am all ears (actually screen).

Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
Received on Tue Jan 07 2014 - 20:51:03 CET

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