Re: Why don't we have a charter (was: New Oracle monitoring tool ...)

wizofoz2k_at_yahoo.com.au (Noons) wrote in message news:<73e20c6c.0311112307.67af508d_at_posting.google.com>...
> joel-garry_at_home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91884734.0311111644.782f627_at_posting.google.com>...
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> > Well, yes, it is, until they get the hang of it. It is common on
> > other groups to have a such periodic post, and in fact I just did a
> > search for a charter for this group, and the only thing out there is
>
> yes, but most of those will *not* be a newsgroup dedicated to a
> specific database server. I'd assume as a given that anyone using
> this newsgroup would at the very least know what google is for,
> how to use it, what the Usenet is for, how to check netiquette,
> etcetc. I mean, it's not like this is rec.barbequeue.escargot,
> forchrissakes!

Well, you read this group enough you should know that is a bad assumption. Some people assume it is simple to reject posts with a particular string in the subject, but that isn't true either for those who use google, for example. So I like Howard's suggestion of keeping it short, although 15 lines is barely enough for a link to a website. :-)

It rained this morning, and the escargot stampeded.

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>
> > Think how many times Sybrand has told someone off, Daniel has said
> > tahiti, Howard has complained about how we just went around that
> > subject. Then whomever they were responding to has to go through a
> > flamage cycle.
>
> and quite rightly.
>
> > The point is to avoid or shorten that cycle.
>
> I don't think a FAQ can do that. Nor is it its purpose. If they
> are naive enough to incur someone's flamage then wth are they doing
> here in the first place???

Naivete` isn't really a good reason for flamage. Screwing up after being warned is.

>
> I mean, I lurk for a while and get in the mood when first going to
> a new newsgroup. Regardless of the content. FAQ or no FAQ.
> And I've been online for longer than I can remember.

Well, yeah, that's the correct thing to do, for someone who is going to seriously participate in a group. But the audience we have in mind may or may not do that. Would it be better if we just didn't call it a faq and called it an RMF (READ ME FIRST)? Think about the reasons you lurk first - one is to figure out the rules. Don't you think most people would like to know the rules rather than finding out the hard way? I have a feeling there are a number of people who've briefly lurked here and could have been good contributors, but have gone away after seeing meanness, and others who likewise could have been good contributors but were flamed off early. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the newbie.

You know, if you get thrown in jail for driving a 914-6 130 in a 70 zone, you might think "well that's a fair cop." But how would you feel if there were no posted speed limits on the Autobahn?

jg

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