Re: Outsourcing developer to India and China - As an Oracle developer I am miffed

Daniel Morgan <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1065315354.55873_at_yasure>...
> Jitendra Patel wrote:
>
> >>Are we having our life opportunities terminated and rolled out at a
> >>cheaper cost in these countries. I thought Globalisation was supposed to
> >>bring competition - Instead our IT manager are giving away our
> >>livlyhoods for nothing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >What about our livelihoods? In India, $20 per day is a great salary,
> >and it is not our problem that you desire 10 times that amount for the
> >same volume of work.
> >
> >
> >
> >>So what if cheaper - Is it ethical????? Is it fair on your children or
> >>the society your ancestors dreamed of building.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Very racist. My ancestors dreamed of prosperity also.
> >
> >
> >
> >>If these people want oracle jobs than they should get of their butts and
> >>come to 1st world countries.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why come to you? It is a highly-connected world, and a T1 can get me
> >anywhere on the globe. With ssh, all is secure too.
> >
> >
> And as Jitendra is absolutely correct the only thing one can do to
> compete with him is to provide things he can't provide:
>
> 1. He can't go to a meeting and make himself a useful member of the team.

if you outside the whole department, he sure can. companies have started doing that.
> 2. He can't walk down the hall and do on-site user training.
true, but even some jobs leaving hurts the market. Most Oracle people dont do training.
> 3. He can't work on any project that requires government security clearance.
huge demand for people with clearances. one place americans are safe.
> 4. He doesn't understand the nuances of American or European business
> principles.

id argue that most technical people dont either.
> 5. He can't communicate in English or French or German or Spanish or
> Japanese as well as some of us might.

Ive found that many Indians speak English better than most Americans. Most Indians Ive met learn english in what 2nd grade? Plus many other languages.
>
> So if you are not at least his technical equal why shouldn't someone
> take him up on his offer of $20/hr.?

I saw an article on CNN about this. Supposedly the average yearly salary in India is about $500/month. The average entry level IT job is now paying $550/month. They are getting what they pay for. Its almost like offering a 22 year old $200,000/year in the US.

Jitendra-- before you yell 'racism', you do realize this is costing tons of Indians in the US their jobs as well? Also, if your gonna yell racism get your government to change labor laws so its legal for American IT workers to go over and work in India. We let Indians come here to work and you dont let us go their to work?

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Received on Tue Oct 07 2003 - 06:26:26 CDT