Re: anyone use BEA WebLogic or IBM Websphere against an Oracle database?

Hi Ryan, thanks for writing this:
>
> "Maximus" <qweqwe_at_qwqwewq.com> wrote in message
> news:5pyTa.495921$ro6.11791000_at_news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > "koert54" <nospam_at_nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:n9iTa.27140$F92.3182_at_afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> > > >9iAS is a hodge-podge of Oracle
> > > > and 3rd party stuff thrown together on a couple of CDs (and up to the
> > > > customer to sort thru and make it all work together).
> > >
> > > Amen to that ! Unfortunately Oracle forces you to use and install all
> that
> > > crap if you want
> > > to evolve to Forms and reports 9i ...
> >
> > I agree, it's rediculous to have to do a complete install of 9iAS just to
> > get Forms & Reports functionality, Oracle forces the user to install all
> of
> > the scalability features before they needed, indee if they are needed,
> > forget the guy who just needs a server running forms and reports services
> > (though they do support de-installing everything else after the fact).
> >
> >
>
> ive never used 9iAS and I got forms and reports 9i running with just apache
> and running the OC4J. Thats it.
> when do you need 9iAS for this or is that just licensing? I still dont
> understand what additional functionality 9iAS adds?
>

No, you don't need 9iAS with Forms. Oracle requires it if you use Reports, however (or at least that's what our sales rep said).

I think the difference is that without that middle tier, your application is still using the client-server model - not necessarily a bad place to be, but it doesn't scale very well if you're planning on letting anyone with a web browser access your app. That's where the middle tier really shines - you can have zillions of people connecting to the middle tier and it pipes them all into a few connection channels to your database. If you want to let another zillion users access your app, just plug in one or more pieces of hardware running the middle tier. And of course, as you scale up, you'll have to pay the piper - Oracle will be there with their palms up, "requesting" that you upgrade your license.

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