Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?

From: DA Morgan <damorgan_at_psoug.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:30:06 -0700
Message-ID: <1125387117.417670@yasure>

joel-garry_at_home.com wrote:
> http://www.dbdebunk.com/page/page/2089650.htm shows that he still
> really thinks everyone is stupid and has a low opinion of the great
> unwashed masses. I seemed to have got some small measure of fame from
> upbraiding him about this 15 years ago on compuserve, when he was
> abusing some poor soul because his damagement weren't caring about
> whether database products had completely implemented the relational
> model.
>
> Aside from not respecting the average geek, I think he is right on
> technically and theoretically. Don't see how to get there practically
> (although we can hope Tom Kyte can make it so).
>
>

>>He is constantly railing against vendor extensions (which, from what
>>I've read, he would see as corruptions) of the Relational Model,
>>however my own thougts would be that a competent professional can say
>>to himself "Right, this isn't fully compliant, but it does what I want
>>quickly and easily, so I'll use it until something better comes
>>along".

>
>
> So are you, in his words, "oblivious to the problems" or not?
>
> I can say I am pretty much oblivious to the problems, since "the
> marketplace" wants results from me, so how to do that is the stuff I
> tend to remember and care about. Since I started with relational
> databases before SQL was the, um, standard data interchange language, I
> do sometimes wish things were different, in the manner Fabian
> advocates. Then I run into this XML crap and go "What the heck do we
> do now???"
>
> jg
> --
> @home.com is bogus.
> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ecard/scripts/addSignaturesForm.php

I fail to see a problem with 90% of what he rails against. I go into the hardware store and I see a screw driver. I need to drive in a nail so buy a hammer. I use the tool appropriate for accomplishing the job.

I see this as a hammer bigot saying ... hammers were invented first (well rocks really) so you've got to use a hammer.

But XML in a database ... just another example of the only tool you need is a hammer. XML has its uses. Storing data is not one of them.

-- 
Daniel A. Morgan
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damorgan_at_x.washington.edu
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Received on Tue Aug 30 2005 - 01:30:06 CDT