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"Agron" <agron_ng_at_7kosova.com> wrote in message
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> Great, thank you Jim.
>
> I did not know Oracle lets you download their products for free for
> development purposes. This is great. Actually fantastic. Documentation
> is there too!
>
> I/m downloading in B/G, I hope the installation won't ask me for some
> product key off some CD, is it?
>
Nope. You agreed to certain licensing terms when you downloaded it. They
are taking you to be an hnest person.
> Well anyway, I'll do as you say with tnsping and network sniffer. But do
> you have to be so picky about how we call the servers?
>
> When you say sql server, every one knows that your talking about a
> server that gives you data in exchange for sql expressions. Now all
> servers, in computer terminology, serve data. Be it a file server, web
> server, ICQ server, real media server.
>
Nope. Not at all. If you say RDBMS then yes, but not a server that
exchanges data for sql expressions.
> And I don't agree to call only MS SQL Server a 'SQL server' (despite its
> name) and all other RDBMS by their individual product name.
> MS SQL Server is not the only SQL Server. And hence the component I am
> working on.
You should take that up with Microsoft's legal department. You are trying
to put a product name into the public domain. This distinction may seem
silly to you; but the people that made Kleenex and Formica are not pleased
that these terms are in the public domain and no longer designate the brand
of a product that they once stood for. Likewise, don't stand in front of a
Canon Copier in front of someone from Xerox and say "Wait a minute while I
Xerox this." (photocopy is the correct term) Or SkunkWorks, it is a
trademark of the Lockheed-Martin Company and they spend a considerable
amount of money each year defending their trademark.
In the industry people do not refer to RDBMS's as SQL Servers; they refer to
such things as databases or database servers or RDBMS's. SQL Server is a
product of a specific company - Microsoft.
Believe me if you come out with some sort of product that refers to Oracle
SQL Server databases (or DB2 SqlServer Databases etc.) you will several high
powered law firms beating down your door. Best to use industry standard
language and terms.
>
> In the latest MS Platform SDK, MS has added an API function to find
> only MICROSOFT SQL Servers. A great idea. Something we wanted for a long
> time. But I think it is incomplete. I think it should list all sql
> servers or RDBMS that can receive SQL, not those RDBMS that receive
> specialized DBF type of commands.
>
Database servers or RDBMS's that conform to what level of the SQL ANSI
standard - what year and what level?
Usually I am not this AR (anal retentive), but Oracle!=SQL Server and to use
the two in a sentence as you have is highly confusing and just plain wrong.
Jim
>
> Thank you Jim
> Agron.
>
>
> Jim Kennedy wrote:
> > Lets get the terminology correct.
> > SQLServer is a product of Microsoft Corporation.
> > ORACLE is a product of the Oracle Corporation.
> > Both products are Relational Database Management Systems -> RDBMS.
> > So both vendors would cringe at the phrase "oracle sql servers ".
> >
> > They don't serve up sql they use SQL - Structured Query Language - to
> > manipulate data.
> >
> > You could read the docs at otn.oracle.com. Sign up, its free. And go to
> > documentation. Or use tnsping and a network sniffer to see what it is
> > doing.
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > "Agron" <agron_ng_at_7kosova.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E9CCF76.2060702_at_7kosova.com...
> >
> >>I wrote an non-linux component to scan the local network for one of the
> >>non-oracle sql servers. What I want is to include oracle sql servers in
> >>that list too. Now I don't have an oracle server or documentation about
> >>it. So I need someone from your community to help me with the following.
> >>
> >>So far I found out that oracle sql server has an Intelligent Agent that
> >>listens to the ports 1521 and /or 1526.
> >>
> >>I need to know what do I need to send there and what response can I get.
> >>
> >>I am mostly interested to get some version and instance information.
> >>
> >>Any help is appreciated.
> >>Thank you.
> >>Agron.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Received on Wed Apr 16 2003 - 00:58:04 CDT
