Re: Re Oracle Licensing

The licensing question for Dataguard vs. standby data was always “is PMON running?” If you are replicating Power binaries to x86, the software is not running (nor is it installed). I don’t see how you can be viewed as anything except having backups of both binaries and data until you hook the disk up to the correct machine architecture (and In my opinion, launch the binaries as well).

It could be terminology, Oracle hears standby as Dataguard which means pmon is running and must be licensed. If that does not describe environment, call it a live backup when talking to Oracle..

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Michael Brown


> On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:07 AM, niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I was following up on Dave's 
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>> Even though, as long as it wasn't open, a standby never had to be licensed 


>> before 2014? 

> 
> I hadn't realized it was a thread on storage replication to be honest because of the subject line change. In any case, unless hot standby means replicated data and not a second set of database processes I don't see how the installed and running clause won't get you. 
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>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:34 AM l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch <l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch> wrote:


>> In this case the replication is on the storage tier. That is a lot different from Data Guard. Data Guard requires an instance running on the disaster site.

>> Storage replacation does not require that. It is not even necessary that Oracle Software is installed on the disaster site at all.

>> If it is installed, it might no be running. All of that can make a difference.

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>> A standby database ( and dev databases) has always* been licensable, and in the same way as the primary. The only exceptions will be if you specifically inserted a clause otherwise in your contract with Oracle, or if you are using named user licensing. That is unlikely to say the least. As an example, I offer the EMEA OLSA from June 2000 http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-ire-v122304-070683.pdf note the definition of processor. 

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>> I suspect this comes from the wording of the docs when Active Data Guard arrived 

>> 

>> "*Oracle Data Guard 11g*

>> . Is included with Oracle Database Enterprise Edition - it does not require a separate license . It Includes all Data Guard capabilities from previous releases and many 

>> other new features that enhance data protection, high availability, disaster recovery, and utilization of standby databases and systems"

>> 

>> The point of which was to distinguish between DataGuard being an EE feature and Active Data Guard being chargeable and not to indicate that DR was free. 

>> 

>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM Iggy Fernandez <iggy_fernandez_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> The "policies" are explicitly non-contractual and may be revoked or changed by Oracle at any time. However, there is probably a good legal argument that you relied on them for guidance.
>>> 
>>> The Northern California Oracle Users Group is a volunteer-run 501(c)(3) organization that has been serving the Oracle Database community of Northern California for more than thirty years by organizing four conferences a year and publishing a quarterly journal. Download the complete digital archive of the NoCOUG Journal using: “wget www.nocoug.org/Journal/NoCOUG_Journal_{2001..2018}{02..12..3}.pdf”.
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>>>  
>>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> on behalf of Dave <oracle_at_1001111.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:04 PM
>>> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>>> Subject: Re Oracle Licensing
>>>  
>>> > This has the relevant answers you're looking for:
>>> > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com%2Fassets%2Fdata-recovery-licensing-070587.pdf&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbb144e6908e54b3be89608d649a3c0eb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636777364993336976&amp;sdata=DAXUy4xmkTLIBWamQpQ%2F%2FkgcAV4XGnPQN%2FfvlhZtraE%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
>>> So, forgive me, but am I correct in thinking that my hot standby server
>>> now has to be licensed? And is supposed to have been since 2014?
>>> 
>>> Even though, as long as it wasn't open, a standby never had to be licensed 
>>> before 2014? 
>>> 
>>> Dave
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