Re: Oracle License

Mladen - I am no longer questioning your statement on pricing, no doubt the document I found was for 11g. I found the reference 12g article,and it does state free. And as I recall, you can also get ocfs2 at no charge as part of OEL now also, so that makes quite a bit of sense. But as others, including myself, have noted, Oracle's licensing policies are far from transparent, and even if the otn says free, its entirely possible an oracle contract may say something else entirely.

But finally, I have another question. Does someone have instructions for installing Oracle clusterware without installing ASM or ACFS from the downloads available on OTN? I really do want to experiment with oracle clusterware.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrew, here is why I was so sure that CRS is free, even without having
> all the documents: I have had a conversation about it last year with a guy
> who is relatively high in the chain of command and who told me that they
> are looking to push into the clustering market and kill RH Cluster and
> Veritas Cluster. Those are fail-over clusters and that is why it is free
> and why Oracle made it work with Postgres and MySQL.
> However, that was a private conversation and I cannot prove anything.
> However, I know it is free and I know the motivation.
> Regards
>
>
> On 07/21/2016 09:30 AM, Andrew Kerber wrote:
>
> I think the reason why we have these conversations is that far too often
> Oracle licensing is anything but transparent. I really appreciate Mladens
> information, and I expect I will do some experimentation with Oracle
> clusterware and Postgres, but we already have at least two, and possible
> three different opinions on oracle clusterware licensing. Of course, afaik
> none of us are lawyers, but just the fact that have this conversation, and
> so many different opinions makes it clear (at least to me) that Oracle has
> serious problems with clarity on licensing.
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Dimensional DBA <
> dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> One wonders why we have to have these conversations on a regular basis
>> when the legal documents are clear.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are only two ways to officially acquire the software that you claim
>> to be free.
>>
>> From the OTN/Technet downloads page or from internal SW delivery from
>> Oracle which would require a SW/support agreement.
>>
>>
>>
>> For the base SW which includes GRID control you are always pointed to the
>> OTN page even if you purchased SW.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you use the OTN page then you have to say yes to the OTN license
>> agreement.
>>
>>
>>
>> You must accept the OTN License Agreement to download this software.
>>
>> Accept License Agreement | Decline License Agreement
>>
>>
>>
>> If you click decline you are not allowed to download SW.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you read the agreement from the link
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/standard-license-152015.html
>>
>>
>>
>> …”Oracle grants You a nonexclusive, nontransferable, limited license to
>> internally use the Programs, subject to the restrictions stated in this
>> Agreement, only for the purpose of developing, testing, prototyping, and
>> demonstrating Your application and only as long as Your application has not
>> been used for any data processing, business, commercial, or production
>> purposes, and not for any other purpose. …”
>>
>>
>>
>> You can only use it for “developing, testing, prototyping, and
>> demonstrating “ you cannot use it for “for any data processing,
>> business, commercial, or production purposes, and not for any other purpose
>> “.
>>
>>
>>
>> It doesn’t matter whether the SW is free in the end or not, you are not
>> allowed to use it for real every day purposes. This is what you legally
>> agreed to be bound by.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only by having a SW Purchase agreement and/or Support agreement are you
>> allowed to use the software for those restricted activities listed in the
>> OTN agreement.
>>
>>
>>
>> “…If You want to use the Programs or Your application for any purpose
>> other than as expressly permitted under this Agreement, You must obtain
>> from Oracle or an Oracle reseller a valid Programs license under a separate
>> agreement permitting such use. …”
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 11gR1 Licensing Document
>>
>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/B28359_01/license.111/b28287.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Oracle Clusterware Oracle Clusterware can be installed and used to
>> protect any Oracle or third-party software provided any of the following
>> conditions are met:
>>
>> 1. The software being protected is from Oracle.
>>
>> 2. The software being protected uses an Oracle Database.
>>
>> 3. The software being protected is running on Oracle Unbreakable Linux.
>>
>> 4. The software being protected is running in a cluster where at least
>> one machine involved in the cluster is licensed using the appropriate
>> metric for either Oracle Database Enterprise Edition or Oracle Database
>> Standard Edition.
>>
>> A cluster is defined to include all the machines that share the same
>> Oracle Cluster Registry (OCR) and Voting Disk.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oracle Unbreakable Linux
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/us/faq-clusterware-1728221.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> As an Oracle Linux Support customer, how do I obtain Oracle Clusterware?
>>
>> Oracle Linux Support customers at the Basic and Premier levels can
>> download the product and deploy it for free as part of their Oracle Linux
>> Support contract.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For 11gR2 and 12c, the wording changed which is where I think you are
>> getting confused Mladen, but you still have to get to download it by
>> agreeing to the OTN License policy which limits your use meaning free does
>> not mean free for anything you can think of doing with the SW.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e47877.pdf
>>
>> Oracle Clusterware Oracle Clusterware provides cluster membership and
>> high availability monitoring and failover. Oracle Clusterware may be used
>> to protect any application (restarting or failing over the application in
>> the event of a failure) on any server, free of charge. Oracle will provide
>> support for Clusterware only if the server is running an Oracle product,
>> which may include Oracle Linux or Oracle Solaris, that is also under Oracle
>> support.
>>
>>
>>
>> 12c Licensing document
>>
>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E50790_01/doc/license.121/e17614.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Oracle Clusterware Oracle Clusterware provides cluster membership and
>> high availability monitoring and failover. Oracle Clusterware may be used
>> to protect any application (restarting or failing over the application in
>> the event of a failure) on any server, free of charge. Oracle will provide
>> support for Clusterware only if the server is running an Oracle product,
>> which may include Oracle Linux or Oracle Solaris, that is also under Oracle
>> support.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
>> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Nagaraj chk
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:33 PM
>> *To:* gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com
>> *Cc:* Chitale, Hemant K; Andrew Kerber; Jared Still; Oracle-L Freelists;
>> Seth Miller
>> *Subject:* Re: Oracle License
>>
>>
>>
>> thank you all for the clarifation
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/20/2016 10:01 PM, Chitale, Hemant K wrote:
>>
>> Oracle Clusterware is a complete, enterprise class clustering solution.
>> It is a free. To get support for upgrades or patches, a valid support
>> license for any other Oracle product such as Oracle Linux, Oracle Solaris,
>> or any other supported Oracle application is required.
>>
>>
>>
>> Support requires a licensed product.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Hemant!
>>
>> Of course support requires a licensed product. We weren't talking about
>> support. We were talking about the clusterware. And clusterware is free.
>> Thanks for finding more quotes confirming my claim.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mladen Gogala
>>
>> Oracle DBA
>>
>> Tel: (347) 321-1217
>>
>>
>>
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> Mladen Gogala
> Oracle DBA
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