Re: PowerVM Live Partition Mobility

The mobility feature in PowerVM allows you move online a LPAR from a physical server to another, in my ignorance I think it's like vMotion in VMWare. Itself does not create or destroys VMs.

LPAR is a supported Hard Partitioning software, so the statement about Live Partition Mobility is sort of ambiguos, it's a feature which allows you to move a supported hard partitioning VM, i.e Live Partition Mobility is not a hard partitioning software, it just moves the VM. LPAR is a Power VM feature.

I am questioning is because if one have been using Live Partition Mobility since 2009 and suddently in 2013 you are asked to stop using it becase Oracle changes his licensing policy it's a intrusive move no? And it's not even a patitioning feature.

Thanks

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, MARK BRINSMEAD <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> When a customer uses a "partitioning" or "virtualization" product, the
> onus is entirely on them to determine what Oracle's licensing policy is
> going to be -- not just in regard to the technology itself, but also in
> regard to exactly how the customer *deploys* it.
>
> (As an example, "Oracle VM" is considered as "hard" partitioning when used
> one way. but as "soft" partitioning when used another.)
>
> Oracle has never even tried to provide an exhaustive list of what they do
> or do not consider to be "hard" partitioning, and I have found in the past
> that getting firm (and reliable) answers to questions like this to be
> terribly difficult. I imagine that when Oracle noted enough customers
> asking about "Power VM", they decided to make a clear statement about it,
> and save everybody a lot of time and trouble.
>
> As a good rule of thumb, though, unless you are able to clearly and
> definitively point to your hardware and say "Oracle software will execute
> (at some time or other) *only* on these CPUs" and "Oracle software will
> *never* execute on those CPUs", then your technology will be almost
> certainly regarded as "soft partitioning", and you will need to license
> every CPU in sight. It turns out, it seems, that this is the case for
> "Power VM" (and it always was), and Oracle has recently done customers the
> favour of removing any doubts.
>
> Remember, the rules here do not care (in the least) about how many CPUs
> the software can run on at any given moment -- you need (in general) to
> license every processor where your Oracle software *might* execute. In
> general. Of course, you should consult Oracle before deploying, and avoid
> accepting the word of your sales rep -- get a written statement from a VP
> (or better, a formal amendment to the license agreement) if you want to be
> safe.
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Ls Cheng <exriscer_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stefan
>>
>> That paragraph was introduced in 2013 however the technology was
>> certified by Oracle on 2009. I wonder what did your customer do when this
>> new paragraph was introduced ast year when they might have been using the
>> technology for 4 years already? They had to re-license or stopped using the
>> technology?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Stefan Koehler <contact_at_soocs.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheng,
>>> yes, some of my clients are using IBM Power VM Live Partition Mobility
>>> in test, quality and production for their Oracle databases and applications.
>>> Licensing conditions are pretty clear in case of IBM Power VM Live
>>> Partition Mobility.
>>>
>>> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/partitioning-070609.pdf
>>>
>>> "IBM Power VM Live Partition Mobility is not an approved hard
>>> partitioning technology. All cores on both the source and destination
>>> servers in an
>>> environment using IBM Power VM Live Partition Mobility must be licensed."
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Stefan Koehler
>>>
>>> Oracle performance consultant and researcher
>>> Homepage: http://www.soocs.de
>>> Twitter: _at_OracleSK
>>>
>>>
>>> > Ls Cheng <exriscer_at_gmail.com> hat am 12. November 2014 um 08:54
>>> geschrieben:
>>> >
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if anyone uses IBM PowerVM Live Partition Mobility in
>>> production? Any licesing issues?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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