Re: EM 12c Administration groups
From: Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 23:25:47 +0100
Message-ID: <CABe10sZybMqTUQ9iUtoSjw=ABy6BFH5ZgfUVMCrFOr4iNHLkWA_at_mail.gmail.com>
This could go horribly wrong (train back home after night out). I think you want to use the business properties for each target as you add them and assign to groups based on business rules, then give admins access to the groups. My general rule here is that you should define systems along tech lines and groups on business lines. It would be nice if 12.x allowed customization of the business fields but they're reasonably flexible with some imagination. They aren't and can't be made mandatory though so failure to classify can mean failure to view (or even monitor). On Jul 3, 2013 8:11 PM, "Scott Stefick" <sstefick_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to you both for your response.
> Pete,
> What I'm actually trying to do is break up my databases between different
> business units for monitoring/alerting. I was using the Prod/Dev/Test
> model, but I was actually wanting to do something like:
>
> AdminGrp0 --> NonProd --> (no underlying groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> Prod --> (no underlying groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> Mission Critical --> BusinessUnit1 and BusinessUnit2 (2
> groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> ExternalDepartments --> ExtDept1 , ExtDept2 , ExtDept3 ,
> ExtDept4 , ExtDept5 , ExtDept6 , ExtDept7 (7 groups)
>
> Each of the groups at the bottom will have different monitoring needs. In
> our current EM10g setup, we have them all separated within Targets -->
> Groups --> (11 different monitoring groups).
>
> I saw the admin groups in 12c and thought I'd be able to better organize
> the business needs within different Administrative groups. Is that
> possible?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> -Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Peter Sharman <pete.sharman_at_oracle.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Scott
> >
> > Deba beat me to it. :)
> >
> > I just had one question - is there a reason WHY you want them to be
> > different? It may be that you're attempting to use admin groups for
> > something they're not really designed for, so I just want to make sure
> > you're using the right part of the product for what you want to do.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > Pete Sharman
> > Principal Product Manager
> > Enterprise Manager Product Suite
> > 33 Benson Crescent CALWELL ACT 2905 AUSTRALIA
> > Phone: +61262924095 | | Fax: +61262925183 | | Mobile: +61414443449
> >
> > "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> >
> > "Oh no, it's not, it's much harder than that!"
> > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Debaditya Chatterjee [mailto:debaditya.chatterjee_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:57 AM
> > To: sstefick_at_gmail.com
> > Cc: Oracle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: EM 12c Administration groups
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> > The groups underneath each branch needs to the identical. So if you want
> > three sub groups under PROD you will have to create it under STAGE as
> well.
> > I got this clarified from our framework PM. Please reach me offline if
> you
> > have further clarifications.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Deba
> >
> >
> > Debaditya Chatterjee
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Scott Stefick <sstefick_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been tasked with setting up Administration groups here, and it
> > > seems straightforward except for the fact that I can't seem to make
> > > the Lifecycle groups look different.
> > > *ex:*
> > >
> > > STAGE PROD
> > > ________|_______ ________|________
> > > | | | |
> > > |
> > > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN BOZEMAN
> > >
> > > From what I can see, the only way I can set it up is (where the
> > > lifecycle groups are identical):
> > >
> > > STAGE PROD
> > > ________|_______ ________|________
> > > | | |
> > > |
> > > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN
> > >
> > > Is this a limitation, or am I just not finding how to add/delete
> > > members of groups? Even the examples in the docs all show them
> matching.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > -Scott Stefick
> > >
> > >
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 23:25:47 +0100
Message-ID: <CABe10sZybMqTUQ9iUtoSjw=ABy6BFH5ZgfUVMCrFOr4iNHLkWA_at_mail.gmail.com>
This could go horribly wrong (train back home after night out). I think you want to use the business properties for each target as you add them and assign to groups based on business rules, then give admins access to the groups. My general rule here is that you should define systems along tech lines and groups on business lines. It would be nice if 12.x allowed customization of the business fields but they're reasonably flexible with some imagination. They aren't and can't be made mandatory though so failure to classify can mean failure to view (or even monitor). On Jul 3, 2013 8:11 PM, "Scott Stefick" <sstefick_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to you both for your response.
> Pete,
> What I'm actually trying to do is break up my databases between different
> business units for monitoring/alerting. I was using the Prod/Dev/Test
> model, but I was actually wanting to do something like:
>
> AdminGrp0 --> NonProd --> (no underlying groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> Prod --> (no underlying groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> Mission Critical --> BusinessUnit1 and BusinessUnit2 (2
> groups)
> AdminGrp0 --> ExternalDepartments --> ExtDept1 , ExtDept2 , ExtDept3 ,
> ExtDept4 , ExtDept5 , ExtDept6 , ExtDept7 (7 groups)
>
> Each of the groups at the bottom will have different monitoring needs. In
> our current EM10g setup, we have them all separated within Targets -->
> Groups --> (11 different monitoring groups).
>
> I saw the admin groups in 12c and thought I'd be able to better organize
> the business needs within different Administrative groups. Is that
> possible?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> -Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Peter Sharman <pete.sharman_at_oracle.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Scott
> >
> > Deba beat me to it. :)
> >
> > I just had one question - is there a reason WHY you want them to be
> > different? It may be that you're attempting to use admin groups for
> > something they're not really designed for, so I just want to make sure
> > you're using the right part of the product for what you want to do.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > Pete Sharman
> > Principal Product Manager
> > Enterprise Manager Product Suite
> > 33 Benson Crescent CALWELL ACT 2905 AUSTRALIA
> > Phone: +61262924095 | | Fax: +61262925183 | | Mobile: +61414443449
> >
> > "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> >
> > "Oh no, it's not, it's much harder than that!"
> > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Debaditya Chatterjee [mailto:debaditya.chatterjee_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:57 AM
> > To: sstefick_at_gmail.com
> > Cc: Oracle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: EM 12c Administration groups
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> > The groups underneath each branch needs to the identical. So if you want
> > three sub groups under PROD you will have to create it under STAGE as
> well.
> > I got this clarified from our framework PM. Please reach me offline if
> you
> > have further clarifications.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Deba
> >
> >
> > Debaditya Chatterjee
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Scott Stefick <sstefick_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been tasked with setting up Administration groups here, and it
> > > seems straightforward except for the fact that I can't seem to make
> > > the Lifecycle groups look different.
> > > *ex:*
> > >
> > > STAGE PROD
> > > ________|_______ ________|________
> > > | | | |
> > > |
> > > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN BOZEMAN
> > >
> > > From what I can see, the only way I can set it up is (where the
> > > lifecycle groups are identical):
> > >
> > > STAGE PROD
> > > ________|_______ ________|________
> > > | | |
> > > |
> > > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN
> > >
> > > Is this a limitation, or am I just not finding how to add/delete
> > > members of groups? Even the examples in the docs all show them
> matching.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > -Scott Stefick
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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