RE: EM 12c Administration groups

From: Peter Sharman <pete.sharman_at_oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <0c158325-9f91-40fd-8a21-1fff4588f291_at_default>

OK, now I understand.

If you want wants to use the groups for setting up monitoring (i.e. applying monitoring templates), then admin groups are the way to go because they automate template apply operations for you. You don't get that with other groups.

However, the requirement for the admin group hierarchy is that it needs to have the same target property as criteria for each level. From the description, it seems Lifecycle Status could be used for 1st level criteria (i.e. 1st level under AdminGrp0) for Prod, NonProd, MissionCritical but it doesn't fit the 'ExternalDepartment' group criteria.

If you are able to re-organize the groups such that they use the same criteria (i.e. target property) for each level of the group, then admin groups would still be the recommended way for all the benefits it brings.

Pete

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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Stefick [mailto:sstefick_at_gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:10 AM
To: Peter Sharman
Cc: Oracle Discussion List
Subject: Re: EM 12c Administration groups

Thanks to you both for your response.
Pete,
What I'm actually trying to do is break up my databases between different business units for monitoring/alerting. I was using the Prod/Dev/Test model, but I was actually wanting to do something like:

AdminGrp0 --> NonProd --> (no underlying groups)
AdminGrp0 --> Prod --> (no underlying groups)
AdminGrp0 --> Mission Critical --> BusinessUnit1 and BusinessUnit2 (2

groups)
AdminGrp0 --> ExternalDepartments --> ExtDept1 , ExtDept2 , ExtDept3 , ExtDept4 , ExtDept5 , ExtDept6 , ExtDept7 (7 groups)

Each of the groups at the bottom will have different monitoring needs. In our current EM10g setup, we have them all separated within Targets --> Groups --> (11 different monitoring groups).

I saw the admin groups in 12c and thought I'd be able to better organize the business needs within different Administrative groups. Is that possible?

Thanks in advance for your help!
-Scott

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Peter Sharman <pete.sharman_at_oracle.com>wrote:

> Scott
>
> Deba beat me to it. :)
>
> I just had one question - is there a reason WHY you want them to be
> different? It may be that you're attempting to use admin groups for
> something they're not really designed for, so I just want to make sure
> you're using the right part of the product for what you want to do.
>
> Pete
>
> Pete Sharman
> Principal Product Manager
> Enterprise Manager Product Suite
> 33 Benson Crescent CALWELL ACT 2905 AUSTRALIA
> Phone: +61262924095 | | Fax: +61262925183 | | Mobile: +61414443449
>
> "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
>
> "Oh no, it's not, it's much harder than that!"
> Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debaditya Chatterjee [mailto:debaditya.chatterjee_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:57 AM
> To: sstefick_at_gmail.com
> Cc: Oracle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: EM 12c Administration groups
>
> Hi Scott,
> The groups underneath each branch needs to the identical. So if you
> want three sub groups under PROD you will have to create it under STAGE as well.
> I got this clarified from our framework PM. Please reach me offline if
> you have further clarifications.
>
> Thanks
> Deba
>
>
> Debaditya Chatterjee
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Scott Stefick <sstefick_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been tasked with setting up Administration groups here, and it
> > seems straightforward except for the fact that I can't seem to make
> > the Lifecycle groups look different.
> > *ex:*
> >
> > STAGE PROD
> > ________|_______ ________|________
> > | | | |
> > |
> > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN BOZEMAN
> >
> > From what I can see, the only way I can set it up is (where the
> > lifecycle groups are identical):
> >
> > STAGE PROD
> > ________|_______ ________|________
> > | | |
> > |
> > CHICAGO AUSTIN CHICAGO AUSTIN
> >
> > Is this a limitation, or am I just not finding how to add/delete
> > members of groups? Even the examples in the docs all show them matching.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > -Scott Stefick
> >
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