Re: Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)

From: Andre van Winssen <>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:35:23 +0200
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when working for oracle support we had to take ocp exams for 7.3/8.0/8i back in 2000. Later on as a contractor, I neglected certification, until recently, when I decided to take ocp and ocm 10g exams and even cissp (infosec). The only reason being that I wanted to set some targets for myself. Luckily I passed all of them.

Some even say that being ocm can make it more difficult to get a new assignment .. when you are being looked upon as the wise guy, which I ain't. Just will have to find out if ocm brings any benefits at all.

Kind regards,
The Netherlands

2008/6/9, Mark Strickland <>:
> I keep my certification current. It gives me that extra bit of
> motivation. Plan to get the OCM. Figure I talked my way into my first DBA
> job in 1993 (v6.0.3...scared without excrement to upgrade to v7...still
> scared without excrement to upgrade to 11g). Then I proved myself. And
> even after I proved myself, I can think of at least one situation where I
> just wasn't a good fit no matter how hard I tried. I agree with everything
> said previously, but don't discount those who are motivated and ambitious
> and who get that certification and talk their way into a DBA position. They
> might be the best DBA you've ever encountered. Or not. I interview well.
> Because I learned early on how to interview well. I have great references.
> So? What if I lose my ambition and motivation and fear of failure? Or
> display other evidence of being HUMAN. I'd rather hire someone who is eager
> and motivated and seems like they'd be reasonable to work with (not a prima
> donna from a Prestige Company...not that I'VE ever been THAT) and has good
> troubleshooting skills and is organized (FAT CHANCE!). Cowboys/girls need
> not apply. Oh, and would it be asking too much to expect them to be a good
> technical writer (not publishable documentation...just basic project
> plans)? That was a rhetorical question, of can dream. Indeed,
> they have to demonstrate the requisite technical knowledge, but that's the
> starting point. What is my point? I guess my point is that it comes down
> to good judgment. I personally prefer the empirical approach (to
> everything) but these are human beings we're talking about. There's no
> formula. I've been on interview panels and given my thumbs-up for the
> candidate to go on to Hollywood only to find that, once they were hired, I
> couldn't stand them (but alcohol helps). Too late. No doubt, I've been on
> the other side of that. I'm rambling. It comes back to: there's no
> formula. And once you got 'em, they're still human. That's a good thing.
> Regards,
> Mark
> Seattle, WA

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