RE: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs

There are 4 packs X 3k. When you are talking about database software they charge by each cpu it runs on. And, for the productivity packs its by the number of cpus on any database you connect to. Jeez, It looked pretty simple: 12k for the use of the products however we wanted to use them, not, 12k per CPU. The information I looked up on OTN is not longer there.  

I was just wondering if was the only one in the universe who didn't know this. I feel bad that the hardest thing for me to grasp about Oracle is how the licensing works.........  

We are using other products. We have Toad with DBA pack and also DBArtisan. I never use the productivity pack stuff but one of the other DBA's does. Guess he'll have to get used to not having it.    

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Stankus [mailto:paulastankus_at_yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:18 PM
To: bob_murching_at_BUDCO.com; 'dofreeman_at_state.pa.us'; 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org' Cc: 'Freeze, Matthew'
Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs

        Are the OEM packs really $12K per cpu - when did this change. That does seem incredibly high AND I am no Microsoft bigot but given that their performance tools (as they are) come with a cheaper licensing fee - I don't blame your PM. :)          

        the other options are:          

        -user-developed monitoring scripts but basically to reproduce all that 10G OEM gives you would be creating a whole new application          

        -buying a 3rd party product - might be cheaper -          

        That just seems like price guaging. Also, is it for each cpu on your OMS machine or on the machine you are monitoring? I thought it was on each machine you were monitoring?         

        "Murching, Bob" <bob_murching_at_BUDCO.com> wrote:

		You can hire quite a few DBAs for the cost of the OEM packs. For shops with
		fewer than dozens of DBAs, the licensing cost makes Grid Control a hard sell
		from the labor-savings angle.
		
		Term licenses can be more palatable as a short-term measure; they buy you
		time, and you're not throwing away nearly as much cash as you would on the
		perpetual processor licenses.
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Freeman, Donald [mailto:dofreeman_at_state.pa.us] 
		Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:22 PM
		To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
		Cc: Freeze, Matthew
		Subject: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs
		
		I'm dragging this old thread back out because I just went three rounds with
		our Oracle Sales guy. I guess I didn't adequately understand what Mogens
		said when he said, 
		
		"Yes, you pay either $60 per Named User Plus license or $3000 per CPU
		license for each of the OEM Packs. That's always been the case."
		
		My Oracle sales guy is telling me it's $3000 per CPU MONITORED. A year
		ago, when this thread was started, we bought a one-cpu machine and a one-cpu
		Oracle 9i Enterprise Edition to host our Enterprise OMS. We paid 12K for
		the productivity packs after our discount. Now the guy is telling me that
		it's supposed to be 12K per CPU for every monitored CPU in our Enterprise.
		My fricken head is spinning. He KNOWS how many CPU's we have, why didn't he
		say something then? We wouldn't have wasted 12k. Hell, we can only legally
		use the productivity packs on the OMS database.
		
		What started our conversation today was our question, "Can we go to 10G and
		use grid control without paying any extra money? We already own the
		productivity packs." We really wanted all the cool stuff you could do. I'm
		guessing, legally then, there are very few people in the Oracle world
		actually using any of the new stuff. It was unreasonably priced then and it
		is now. 
		
		On top of all this is our project manager who is a Microsoftophile who
		wonders if Oracle is all dat. I'll have to take a fire extinguisher with me
		when I tell him about this.....
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]
		On Behalf Of Mogens Nørgaard
		Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:21 AM
		To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
		Subject: Re: Oracle Expert
		
		
		And just to set the license record straight:
		
		Yes, you pay either $60 per Named User Plus license or $3000 per CPU license
		for each of the OEM Packs. That's always been the case.
		
		With 10g there's a new twist, since some of the really cool performance and
		patch features in that relase can only be used if you buy the OEM Packs.
		
		In short, AWR, ADDM, ASH, Advisors, etc. on the performance side must only
		be used if you have purchased both the Performance and Tuning packs. The
		database cloning and the various patch maintenance features of 10g must only
		be used if you have purchased the Change Management pack.
		
		It makes the packs much more useful. It also makes Oracle more expensive,
		which will hinder the sales of these packs.
		
		As for the historic facet: Yes, they came from the Rdb world, and they
		(expecially the DEC Expert product) would deliver reports several hundred
		pages long where each parameter setting, and all sorts of other
		in-conclusive data, were presented to the great bewilderment (but often
		satisfaction) of the customer/end-user. The lack of proper instrumentation
		showed, of course.
		
		Mogens
		
		Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
		


		> 

		> >

		> > I would seriously advise against that. I have horrible experience 

		> with OEM > change pack. The company I used to work for ended up 

		> buying Schema > Manager from > Quest, despite having OEM Change 

		> Management license. Quest Schema Manager > is a great product, but 

		> for the change management part of "Oracle Expert", > its expertise 

		> consists in producing Java engine dumps, user interface crashes, > 

		> management server crashes and ORA-0600 errors in the OEM database.

		> > Whoever wrote

		> > that piece of s...oftware should be a DBA in his next reincarnation 

		> and be > forced to use the product.

		> 

		> 

		> I will second that.

		> 

		> We eval'd OEM change mgr and Quest Schema Mgr a few years ago.

		> 

		> The Quest product wins, there was no contest.

		> 

		> Jared

		
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