RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick

From: Deshpande, Kirti <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:18:41 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0048A48F.20020627061841@fatcity.com>

I am sorry, but did not read all the postings in this thread, but I think I will go take 8i upgrade OCP before it disappears, and then 9i upgrade (and then 10i upgrade next year!!)

Do I have to have OCP Certification for my current job? Absolutely not. But, having it may increase my chances in the marketplace if had to quit and be on my own as a Freelance Contractor DBA or whatever. That's about it.

I do not have any objections if one wants to spend the money and time to get the "certificate". We are free to have our own opinion about its value.

I have pasted Dilbert's cartoon (re:Network Certification, from a couple of years or so ago) on my Oracle8 OCP certificate that sits in my cube. The cartoon was "upgraded" to read Database Server (instead of Network Server) and the 'C' on the T-shirt of the "certified professional", was changed to OCP :) One of our N/W admins liked it so much, that she copied it and changed it back to read NETWORK!! So, there are others who see the 'value' in such certifications.

I will now return to my 8i OCP prep.
Anyone wants to sell the student guides from 8i NF ILT ??? ;-))

• Kirti

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Mike,

If you got the impression from anything I've posted here that I believe anyone who has gotten the OCP title is a liar and a cheat then I am very sorry as that is NOT the impression I meant to give.

I think the OCP exam itself is worthless and not a measure of what a DBA knows. I think there are many DBAs out there who can add "OCP" to their resume who are wonderful DBAs (let's see, I read and learn from your posts, Joe Testa's, Kevin Loney has it as well.... and others)

What I object to is the presumption that if you have those letters on your resume you are AUTOMATICALLY a good DBA.

Rachel

• Hately Mike <Mike.Hately_at_churchill.com> wrote:
  > I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was
  > pretty
  > worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it
  > proves that
  > the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified.
  > From my
  > point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's
  > helped to
  > get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me.
  > Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and
  > cheats and
  > implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm
  > not
  > going to have that.
  > What merit is there in saying "doctors have malpractice insurance and
  > OCP
  > ... should have one too.". Where's the evidence for that kind of
  > witless
  > comment?
  > I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I
  > don't
  > want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to
  > have it
  > constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of
  > ability.
  > I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their
  > statements by saying that applies to "a few" or "some" but the
  > implication
  > is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some
  > sort of
  > technical deficiency.
  >
  > If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by
  > me. I
  > certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it.
  >
  > Regards,
  > Mike Hately
  >
  > No, really; I usually have a sense of humour.
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13
  > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  >
  >
  > From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like
  > it was a
  > Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots
  > of it.
  >
  > Don Granaman
  > [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP]
  >
  >
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