I see it like this.
You can split it down further.
Technical people fall into two categories (OK a bit of a generalisation)
- Geeks
- People who are technical yet share other interests outside of the IT
world.
Im my experience I find that those who fall under the latter category make
good managers.
At my last job there were two production teams. A Platinunm service team and
a gold service team dependant on which level of service the client had
bought. I headed up the Platinum team, a colleague headed up the other side.
My interests outside of work include cooking, going to soccer matches,
socialising (OK, going to bars and drinking) etc. etc. etc
The other guys interests at home were buying all sorts of gadgetry, playing
with computers, writing his own operating systems etc. etc
I was regarded as a v. good manager (I still see members of my old team
socially and still get praised on my management style).
The other guy (who still works there) was talked about behind his back
mistrusted and generally disliked and now works in an environment where he
no longer has staff under him.
I think what I am trying to say is that it is OK to be a technical sort and
be a manager but I think to be successful you must be a "people person" as
well. A lot of geeks out there can only interact with machines and have
great difficulty in relating to members of their own species ;-)
Lee
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It all depends on the background of the Manager -
where have they built there careers as a Manager. My
current Manager wanted me to check some info using
TOAD as ORACLE was not able to answer her questions. I
work for a MNC that is known thru out the world.
Fazal
- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> I'm going to chime in on Dennis with this.
>
> Good managers are frequently not technical.
>
> Bad managers are frequently technical. They tend to
>
> micro manage. My belief is that it is because they
> don't really know how to manage.
>
> There are exceptions: I had an excellent manager at
> a previous job. He went from tech to management and
> does well at both. Rare, but possible.
>
> Jared
>
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> DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
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> Greg - Thanks for taking a stab at it. In reflecting
> on the managers I've
> had over the years, I disagree with your first
> point. Some of my worst
> managers have been those that did well at technical
> work, but couldn't
> manage. Some of my best managers have been
> non-technical. They couldn't do
> my job or second-guess me, so were forced to
> concentrate asking the right
> questions. They also spent more time outside the
> group building bridges
> with
> other departments/managers/users so people outside
> our department thought
> we
> were supporting them. This greatly diffused the
> antagonism between I.S.
> and
> the rest of the company.
> The other points are cute and true.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
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> Good Manager: Worked their way up from programmer
> to DBA to manager.
> Bad Manger: Little technical experience, didn't
> like programming.
>
> Good Manager: Patience of a Saint.
> Bad Manager: Rules by the Tantrum Method.
>
> Good Manager: You walk away from a meeting
> thinking, "That's a good
> idea."
> Bad Manager: You walk away from a meeting thinking,
> "From now on I'll
> keep
> the real work to myself, and only ask for an opinion
> about what colors to
> use on the screens."
>
> Really Bad Manager: "Is he color blind??"
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