Re: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

Ok, some of you may recall that a few months ago I completly banned off topic posts from this list. If it was not of a technical nature, and not related to Oracle you couldn't post it.

Please stop this thread now, so I don't have ban off topic *again*, and spend too much of my time monitoring this list.

Thank You.

Jared Still ( the list owner, for those of you that don't know it )

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 13:27, Sam Roberts wrote:
> Im defending this - how did i get here ?
>
> nevertheless - the mighty Mohan Ross speaks - I do read your e-mails (never
> for oracle help) just too see if u can ever make me laugh- Im not actually
> into camp humour though.
>
> How ironic - I always imagined you as the type who dresses up as a mother
> superior in your spare time:
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:16 AM
>
> > I'm a complete newbie, so I may be off-base here, but I believe that
> > truncating a table does not delete any data from the table. It moves the
> > cursor up, thereby closing up the "empty space" where data has previously
> > been deleted.
> >
> > --JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:46 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > To our resident Oracle Expert who just 6 months (July 26 2001) ago posted
> > the following e-mail
> >
> >
> > If I remember rightly, deleting rows from the table does NOT free up
> > tablespace. In order to do that you have to trunctate the table (although
> > this of course deletes all data from the table)...I can't for the life of
>
> me
>
> > remember how you adjust the space the table is actually using after doing
>
> a
>
> > delete...(to everyone else) would an analyze work?
> >
> > Kev.
> >
> > "would and analyze work", leave it out kev(or thomas), my sides are
> > splitting Im laughing that much"
> > "Dude you really are a sage"
> > I agree dude, you tell them beginners how u became such an expert in 6
> > months and didn't come out with stupid ****** comments like above, and
>
> dude,
>
> > explain more about this defrag,space adjusting tool "the analyze
> > command":
> >
> > Unfortunately I only got dragged into this because I just saw one of your
> > rude replies and I was having a bad day and didn't like your attitude., I
> > have no idea about the guy you were slagging off as I don't get time to
>
> read
>
> > all the posts, but it looks like 6 months ago you were no better than
> > him, and nobody on the list, I recall, treated you with the contempt that
> > you actually deserved.
> >
> > As somebody on the list said "opinions are like arseholes, everybody's
> > got one and they all stink" (classic ,classic quote):
> >
> > Anyhow I rest my case Kev (or thomas):
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:12 PM
> >
> > > And your point caller??
> > >
> > > TIC ;o)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: 29 January 2002 15:41
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant. The list
> > > is
> >
> > for
> >
> > > anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced
> > > dba's).
>
> I
>
> > > am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I
>
> can
>
> > > easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM
> > > questions,
> >
> > and
> >
> > > being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering
> >
> > the
> >
> > > manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples
>
> page
>
> > is
> >
> > > the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help
> >
> > all
> >
> > > kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all
>
> the
>
> > > other members of the list. Everybody on that list is extremely
> > > gracious
> >
> > and
> >
> > > nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they
>
> need,
>
> > > with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy". I am
> > > hoping that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for
> > > it, that
>
> I
>
> > > and others give on other lists.
> > >
> > > --JoJo
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never
>
> learn
>
> > > where the information is within the manuals or other reference
> >
> > documentation
> >
> > > and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
> > >
> > > I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally
>
> do
>
> > > not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the "...can't
>
> be
>
> > > bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most frustrating.
>
> When
>
> > > you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
> > > potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all
>
> have
>
> > to
> >
> > > spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I
> > > personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm sure you can
> > > see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person
> > > next to you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Craig.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > <mailto:rabbit_at_emirates.net.ae> ]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 2:55 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow
> > > DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the
> > > format
> >
> > of
> >
> > > this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to
> > > look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy):
> > > Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up
> >
> > dude.
> >
> > > --
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