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And logging tar's.
Alex Hillman
-----Original Message-----
From: Gogala, Mladen [SMTP:MGogala_at_oxhp.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: How to break into DBA/Systems work without going
broke doing
Anyway, Alex, LArry says that Oracle DBAs will become unnecessary with the
version 9i, which will allegedly be so intelligent that it do everything
on it's own, brewing the fresh pot of coffeee when needed, as well.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
doing
And usually the more DBA is knowledgeable - the more s/he is open to
answer
questions. I have one friend (she is a developer, never did any DBA
work,
went to Cancun for a week with Oracle course materials and passed
OCP tests
in couple of weeks after that). She asked their DBA about values of
some of
the parameters and 10 Minutes after that read access to parameter
file was
revoked. One of variation of this is not to give access to v$ views
etc.
Alex Hillman
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffery Stevenson [SMTP:jeff_at_mpv.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:00 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: How to break into DBA/Systems work
without going
broke doing
I started out as a Pro*C developer and helped out our help
desk on
rotation when our product was released. This was the help
desk that
fielded
all the questions that the administrators out at all the
sites
needed help
finding answers to...kinda like this list (well except that
I
couldn't pick
and choose which questions I would answer). :) Anyways,
since I
did such
a wonderful job helping the admins get their problems
resolved, they
asked
me to help our DBA team out by developing utilities to ease
the
burden of
managing and propagating changes to the 1250 Oracle v6
instances we
had.
Then one day the boss of a friend of mine (who I had been
helping
with some
Oracle problems he had run into) called and asked if I would
be
interested
in helping with their current project of migrating mainframe
apps to
Oracle...and after all the hassle of getting me over to his
organization, I
became the primary DBA and Developer2000 person.
As for becoming a DBA and easing the transition, one way
is to
become
friendly with any DBAs you know (preferably where you work
at or at
least
nearby)...show interest in what they do and see if they'll
show you
stuff.
Ask them if you can sit in when they do a reorg late at
night or
over the
weekend (well, if you can't sacrifice your salary, then you
generally have
to give up some time). Don't ask too many questions or get
in the
way...just watch and take notes (and then try it on your own
on a
test box
somewhere which will answer most of the questions anyways,
but if
you still
have questions, you can ask them about it now and get better
responses
because there isn't any crunch-time pressure involved).
Network and
chat
with DBAs all around about Oracle stuff and when they go to
hire a
new DBA
you just might have a chance that they remember you and
might give
you a
call to see if you're interested. Despite appearances
sometimes,
we're
mostly a friendly lot. :)
Jeffery Stevenson
Chief Database Geek
Medical Present Value, Inc.
Austin, TX
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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
it?
OK, now I have to ask a question. How did you(general)
break into
the DBA
business? I'm not currently a DBA, I've installed a few
development
instances with the help of the NT dbassitant, tried looking
for work
as a
DBA a couple of years ago, then realized how much I didn't
know and
in many
ways was glad I didn't get a job as a DBA. Now, I'm playing
8.1.5
on
Solaris, but really, I'm not cutting my salary in half in
order to
break
into the systems side of the house, so how does a person
move from
development to systems without going broke in the process?
PS - I have some ideas, but I'm curious about your ideas.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:11 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Cherie,
OK, point well taken, so "silver bullet" would translate
into
"the one
item
that will succeed when no other does", "magic formula".
And, no he never did say he had an OCP, but he did say he
was taking
a
"course"
to get his OCP. To me having an OCP certificate without any
experience is
totally meaningless. All it tells me is that you can
memorize
information
and
take a test. It does not tell me that you'll hold up in a
crisis or
that
you
really understand the consequences of your actions. That
experience
speaks
volumes more. Now someone with a number of years experience
AND an
OCP
certificate is a different matter altogether. Consequently
my
question, are
new
people looking at the OCP as the gateway into a position
that they
could not
otherwise get?
BTW: I'm not trying to either criticize or "brow beat" Xing.
If
that
impression
has been left, then I apologize. He asked a question,
similar ones
I field
in
house each day, and he was given an answer that is similar
to the
ones I
hand
out to my developers although I'd have given him the page
number too
and a
whole
lot less trash than Xing has gotten from this list. In my
mind that
is
sufficient to the purpose. Now if that creates additional
questions, a much
longer dissertation on the results is in order.
Dick Goulet
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Author: Cherie_Machler_at_gelco.com
Date: 3/29/2001 6:35 AM
Dick/Lee/Joe,
I'm not trying to defend him but unless I have not yet
recieved
a post in my mail, Xing never said he had an OCP. Plus,
Lee,
I think you may need to define "silver bullet". It probably
doesn't
translate for people who don't use English as a second
language.
Cherie Machler
Gelco Information Network
(really too busy this morning migrating a database to be
sticking my
nose
where it doesn't belong)
dgoulet_at_vicr.com_at_fatcity.com on 03/29/2001 08:00:45 AM
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Lee & Joe,
While I do agree that is possible one should try to
figure these
things
out,
and this really is a simple one, there does come a time when
asking
for
help is
appropriate. In this case Lee's answer is very much so. As
far as
taking
an
OCP course, that does torque my jaws. Over the last two
years we
must have
had
10 people looking for a job who's only mention of Oracle on
their
resume is
that
they have their OCP certificate. Needless to say, not a one
of them
has
been
invited in for an interview. I'll ask the question that's
been
bugging me
for
some time, Xing, do you think this is some kind of "silver
bullet"
to
getting a
job?
Dick Goulet
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Author: "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com>
Date: 3/29/2001 4:05 AM
Lee, i'm with you 200%,
oh and for the original addressee(and others) if you can't
figure
out
what the heck that simple pl/sql block is doing(or where to
figure
it
out), then quit diluting the OCP worthiness, people who
study just
to
take the OCP and have no experience just go to further the
waste of
paper that the certificate is printed on. :)
joe
lerobe - Lee Robertson wrote:
>
> Xing,
>
> Have a look at the documentation, specifically,
Application
Developers
> Guide, section dealing with "Using Procedures and
Packages".
>
> No disrespect intended but sometimes, certainly for
questions such
as
this,
> you will learn a heck of a lot more by digging around in
the docs,
and
> reading (and working out) the answer for yourself. That is
certainly my
> experience. You will also fell encouraged to delve further
and
learn more
> about other packages etc. Hope my pointer will help you.
>
> To the rest of you - I know it would have been quicker to
write
down the
> answer to Xings question, but what will he have learned
about the
general
> syntax ??
>
> Regards
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: 29 March 2001 07:05
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> Hi DBAs and SAs,
>
> Can someone tell me what is this ORACLE PL/SQL Script all
about,..
> Ya... I know I have to read alot, my OCP course will start
next
month.
>
> BEGIN
> dbms_utility.analyze_schema ( '&OWNER', 'ESTIMATE',
NULL, 5 ) ;
> END ;
> /
>
> Thank you
>
> Xing
>
--
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