On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, [iso-8859-1] paquette stephane wrote:
> I totally agree with Joe, I'm getting paid for my
> knowledge that's why I spend time on the web and read
> books.
I'm glad to hear there are so many of us that work=20
this way. =20
It makes me feel better about all the time I spend reading,
experimenting, and just plain thinking about how to do things.
Some people ( usually damagers ) perceive this type of
behavior as 'goofing off'.
Us 'goof offs' quite often get our work done quickly though.
Jared
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> --- "HAWKINS, JAMES W [FND/1000]"
> <JAMES.W.HAWKINS_at_stl.Monsanto.com> a =E9crit=A0: > Deepak,
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> > Agreed, but don't forget to add that we get paid for
> > the responsibility of
> > protecting data. The bottom line is that I can sit
> > idle and watch my
> > E*Trade account all day until someone drops a
> > production table, then I
> > better get it back with no data lost. That's what I
> > mostly get paid for.
> > There has to be someone to point the finger at when
> > the proverbial dung hits
> > the fan...
> >=20
> > Jim
> >=20
> > ______________________________________
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> > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win
> > glorious triumphs, even
> > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with
> > those poor spirits
> > who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they
> > live in the gray
> > twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
> > =20
> > --Theodore Roosevelt
> >=20
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:51 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> > Joe,
> >=20
> > Absolutely true. Knowledge is what we get paid for.
> > This has been my experience too regd the work I have
> > been doing, (esp. Physical DBA).=20
> >=20
> > However, what I don't understand is when people talk
> > about supporting 10 peoplesoft databases, what
> > exactly
> > do they do. My current client has Peoplesoft
> > financial
> > and Order management applications which total upto
> > 12
> > databases in all. Apart from that I am also
> > supporting
> > non-peoplesoft databases (4). All I do daily is
> > check
> > my email for any outstanding user requests, check
> > the
> > Alert logs, run DB monitoring scripts against select
> > few databases etc. Apart from this daily activity,
> > there are adhoc requests to refresh test from prod,
> > fix database errors and so on. This has been the
> > case
> > with most of the clients I'd been working with. Now,
> > my question to the (Physical) DBAs is, what extra
> > stuff they do regularly to come with 40+ Hrs per
> > week.
> >=20
> > My formula for 40 Hrs:
> >=20
> > 2 Hrs Regular DB support +
> > 2 Hrs Email & Web Browsing +
> > 1 Hr Lunch +
> > 1 Hr Phone +
> > 2 Hrs Self Study =3D Daily 8 Hrs
> >=20
> > I know people who genuinely work 40+ Hrs, but most
> > of
> > the fellow DBAs I know spend lot of time doing
> > nothing
> > concrete. How else could they participate in the
> > stock
> > market ?
> >=20
> > -- Deepak
> >=20
> > --- "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com> wrote:
> > > Deepak, my latest job, i have to agree with you,
> > > most weeks its less
> > > than 40, rarely ts more than 40.
> > >=20
> > > reason that i've come to conclusion is this:
> > >=20
> > > they pay me for what i know, not necessarily what
> > i
> > > do, knowledge is
> > > power(and money these days).
> > >=20
> > > they catch is this: dont get stale, read the new
> > > documentation when it
> > > comes out, buy books, read them and stay on top of
> > > the new stuff.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Here is a prime example:
> > >=20
> > > while at IOUG-A in may, i was paged about a
> > > partitioned table, they
> > > wanted to move rows between the partitions(ie:
> > > change the key value), by
> > > dafault you can't do that, so they were panicked
> > > enough to potentially,
> > > unload millions of rows, change the key value
> > during
> > > the unload,
> > > truncate the table, and reload all the data.
> > >=20
> > > I was studying for 8i OCP exam and had just read
> > > about=20
> > > alter table <table_name> enable row movement;
> > >=20
> > > by default row movment is disabled.
> > >=20
> > > so they pay me for what I know :)
> > >=20
> > > my 2 cents worth.
> > >=20
> > > joe
> > > Deepak Sharma wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > How many of the DBAs out there frankly work more
> > > than
> > > > 40 Hrs a week on an average ? I have seen DBAs,
> > > > specifically contrators (I'm one myself) put in
> > 10
> > > or
> > > > 12 Hrs a day on the paper. In reality, it's the
> > > 10-12
> > > > Hrs they sit at work, either showing everyone
> > how
> > > busy
> > > > they are or creating work out of nowhere so that
> > > they
> > > > could stay longer at work (and get the extra
> > > bucks).
> > > > We've all had our chances working 24-36 Hrs on
> > > stretch
> > > > in crisis situations, but in general, how much
> > > > significant work does a DBA have. Most of the
> > time
> > > I
> > > > find it difficult to fill even the 40 Hrs in the
> > > > timesheet. My favorite activity !! Browse this
> > > list.
> > > >=20
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> Stephane Paquette
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