Re: Mixing OO and DB
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:27:19 -0400
Message-ID: <47ba064a$0$4038$9a566e8b_at_news.aliant.net>
JOG wrote:
> On Feb 18, 5:10 pm, Bob Badour <bbad..._at_pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>>JOG wrote:
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>>>On Feb 18, 2:54 pm, "Brian Selzer" <br..._at_selzer-software.com> wrote:
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>>>>"JOG" <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>>>>news:9098871a-bd2c-4385-b547-542f38b2055a_at_34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com...
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>>>>>On Feb 15, 2:31 am, David BL <davi..._at_iinet.net.au> wrote:
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>>>>>>On Feb 14, 10:38 pm, JOG <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>[snip]
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>>>>>>>On Feb 14, 3:52 am, David BL <davi..._at_iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>"todays lottery numbers: 23, 34, 17"
>>>>>>>"experimental results: 23, 34, 17"
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>>>>>>>All written down on a bit of paper - same values discussed, but
>>>>>>>different data. Agree or disagree?
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>>>>>>I agree. Yes, same values but different data
>>
>>>>>>>I ask this because if we can distinguish data and values, we must then
>>>>>>>determine /how/ they are different. You state it is by "encoding" but
>>>>>>>the two lines above are encoded in the same manner as far as I am
>>>>>>>concerned, so that cannot be the difference between the two concepts.
>>>>>>>That is unless your "Encodings" equates to my notion of "Facts", and
>>>>>>>we are thus agreeing loudly, using different definitions of those
>>>>>>>terms.
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>>>>>>They are the same values and they are encoded in the same manner.
>>>>>>However they are distinct appearances, hence distinct data.
>>
>>>>>Ok, so we're agreed at least there. Same values with the same
>>>>>encoding. Yet the first datum is different to the second. The logic
>>>>>below therefore follows:
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>>>>>1) The two items of data discussed have the same values and same
>>>>>encoding.
>>
>>>>Yes.
>>
>>>Hey Brian. That's good - at least there is consensus there.
>>
>>>>>2) The two items of data can obviously be distinguished (we are agreed
>>>>>they are not the same data).
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>>>>No. They are the same data.
>>
>>>Ok, that I personally find a strange use of the term. You seem to be
>>>saying that:
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>>>P(a, b)
>>>Q(a, b)
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>>>is the same data? To me that looks like the first line is a different
>>>datum to the second, even though they share the same values.
>>>Definitely not in your opinion?
>>
>>>>>3) Therefore a datum must possess some attribute outside of its values
>>>>>and encoding.
>>
>>>>Yes, but not what you think: A fact is supposed to be true.
>>
>>>>Each appearance of a value in a proposition that is supposed to be true is
>>>>data, but each appearance in the same proposition is the same data.
>>>>But isn't it also true that at least some combinations of values, such as those
>>>>combinations of values that appear in a tuple, may also be data?
>>
>>What complete and utter nonsense! Why, oh why, Jim, do you inflict this
>>on the rest of us?
>>
>>[snip]
>
> Y'know, I have no idea. I think it must be wishful thinking.
You mentioned the idea of creating a new online resource. Are you still pursuing that? Received on Mon Feb 18 2008 - 23:27:19 CET