Re: Navigation question
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:10:41 GMT
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"dawn" <dawnwolthuis_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 26, 8:28 am, "Walt" <wami..._at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > "dawn" <dawnwolth..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1172444333.974143.227280_at_q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 10:10 am, "Walt" <wami..._at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > "dawn" <dawnwolth..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > ><snip> My questions are regarding
> > > > > layer 7, where "logical navigation" of a database might take
place.
> > > > > Does that work for you? --dawn
> >
> > > > what do you mean by "OSI layers?" Are you talking about layers of
> > > > protocols?
> >
> > > First, I'll grant that the OSI layers are not in my area of expertise,
> > > so I might very well have this wrong. I am talking specifically of
> > > the 7 layers (of protocols) identified as the "OSI layers."
> >
> > Could you list the layers, and give a link to a web page that describes
> > them?
>
> I just did a google and I'm not sure whether you had trouble finding a
> link or if this is a test to see which link I would choose. We can
> start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
I know how to google. I wanted to see what page you were reading from, so that we could read from the same page.
The page you pointed me to is a good starting place. So you are talking about protocols.
>
> If I had been quizzed, I would have gotten the top, the bottom, and a
> few others by name, but I have never studied nor memorized these
> layers. I only referred to them in order to get the focus of the
> question on the application layer.
>> > > > If so, it seems to me that application to
> > > Given
> > > these 7 layers, I am not then talking about taking any one of these
> > > layers and further subdividiing it by protocol, but simply referring
> > > to it so that it is clear (that obviously did not work) that I'm
> > > talking about the Application Layer.
> >
> > > > database theory is limited to the areas where data is exchanged in
some
> > sort
> > > > of formal protocol.
> >
> > > Surely not.
I don't understand the above. "Surely not" what? Do you mean "Surely not limited to areas where data is exchanged in some sort of formal protocol"? If that's the case, why did you refer to "the OSI Layers"?
Database theory is highly relevant to conceptual
> > > modeling, outside of this list of 7 layers, as well as to the
> > > interface between developer and DBMS, for example. While there are
> > > surely some here who have an interest in data in some machine-readable
> > > format that might not be all that useful for human eyes or application
> > > programmers, I'm interested in Layer 7, the Application Layer. Again,
> > > I am not bringing this in so that we can discuss protocols within that
> > > layer, simply so that it is clear I'm not talking about "physical
> > > navigation."
If you are not talking about protocols, then why are the OSI layers relevant to your discussion?
I'm terribly confused by what you have written.
> strictly DBMS navigation). BTW, I didn't mention Pascal. I included
> JOG as the third.
>
Noted.
> > Any navigation a programmer
> > does entirely within the application is not relevant to the comments
Cdd,
> > Date, and Pascal have made regarding database data.
>
> Really? I thought they were opposed to "database navigation" in
> general, whether the application is navigating its way through the
> data or the DBMS is, or some combination. Hmmm. Perhaps one
> difficulty with the terms is that I consider DBMS specifications
> related to any application suite to be "part of" that application
> suite.
> Received on Mon Feb 26 2007 - 22:10:41 CET