Re: (repost) cdt glossary 0.1.1
From: paul c <toledobythesea_at_oohay.ac>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:09:47 GMT
Message-ID: <LnMgg.239479$7a.27615_at_pd7tw1no>
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> Committee or no, the ISO/IEC vocabularies are very good, reflect well
> what educated people mean when they use various terms, and are very
> illuminating.
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> Creating a misleading and incorrect glossary through the volunteer
> contributions of vociferous ignorami is counter-productive and just
> plain dumb.
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:09:47 GMT
Message-ID: <LnMgg.239479$7a.27615_at_pd7tw1no>
Bob Badour wrote:
> paul c wrote:
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>> Bob Badour wrote: >> >>> paul c wrote: >>> >>>> mAsterdam wrote: >>>> >>>>> --------------- >>>>> Glossary 0.1.1: "You keep using that word. >>>>> I do not think it means what >>>>> February 2006 you think it means" >>>>> --------------- -- Inigo Montoya >>>>> >>>>> Maintainer: mAsterdam >>>>> >>>>> Preamble: >>>>> --------------- >>>>> This glossary seeks to limit lengthy misunderstandings >>>>> in comp.database.theory. This newsgroup uses terms from >>>>> database modeling, design, implementation, operations, >>>>> change management, cost sharing, productivity research, >>>>> and /or basic database research. >>>>> >>>>> People tend to assume that words mean what they are >>>>> accustomed to, and take for granted that the other >>>>> posters have about the same connotations. >>>>> They don't always. >>>>> >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> How to contribute >>>>> ----------------- >>>>> >>>>> Content: >>>>> Please keep in mind that the focus of the glossary >>>>> is on /real/ c.d.t. misunderstandings. >>>>> >>>>> Some discussions, after many sidetracks, are reducible >>>>> to /just/ different meanings and connotations of a word. >>>>> The differences could be resolved with just: >>>>> "Ah, now I see what you meant by that; next time I'll >>>>> be a little more careful in my choice of words". >>>>> Such words are nice glossary candidates. >>>>> >>>>> Examples from the past: Address, Domain. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes, though, It's not just different connotation >>>>> or meaning which leads to the long winding talks >>>>> without communication. These differences go down to >>>>> deeply held strong opinions. >>>>> Some differences in the use of words run much deeper than >>>>> we can hope to clear up with just some definitions and >>>>> warning signposts. They might help a little anyway, so >>>>> these nastier entries are welcome, to. >>>>> >>>>> Examples from the past: NULL, Flat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Form: >>>>> Please post your proposal as copy & pastable text, >>>>> with a subject line like this: >>>>> >>>>> subject: cdt glossary [Identity] >>>>> >>>>> Please also check spelling and grammar mistaeks. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for contributing. >>>>> ---- >>>>> Milestones? For the glossary I prefer inch-pebbles. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Okay, don't want to risk a premature definition but here's a stab at >>>> an analogy/comparison for "persistence", a word that gets under my >>>> skin most of the time I see it used here: >>>> >>>> If nothing changes but the time of day, what was true yesterday is >>>> still true today. >>>> >>>> I may be wrong to see it this way, but this is why I don't associate >>>> the acronym "rdms" with persistence, necessarily. >>> >>> >>> I don't really know who created this glossary or who contributed >>> what. However, I note that we already have a recognized standard for >>> the bulk of the terms we use, ISO/IEC 2382 Standard Vocabularies for >>> Information Technology, and I note that some of the most fundamental >>> definitions of our field in this glossary are just plain wrong. One >>> might think a self-aggrandizing ignorant like Dawn wrote them. And I >>> suppose it should come as no surprise the maintainer has proved he >>> lacks intellectual honesty. >> >> >> i'll stick my neck out and say that committee definitions are usually >> crap.
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> Committee or no, the ISO/IEC vocabularies are very good, reflect well
> what educated people mean when they use various terms, and are very
> illuminating.
>
> Creating a misleading and incorrect glossary through the volunteer
> contributions of vociferous ignorami is counter-productive and just
> plain dumb.
sure, but the same argument applies to acknowledging idiots.
[ Received on Mon Jun 05 2006 - 04:09:47 CEST