Re: SYBASE acquired PowerSoft AND SDP, was Re: PowerBuilder acquires S-designer?
Date: 1995/07/24
Message-ID: <3uvhtv$8nq_at_ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
Hi Keith,
I appreciate your comments.
You've got my attention with PowerBuilder requiring 24MB. As a former member consultant I have most of the products in the market. I have a 486/50 w/ 16MB of RAM and I can run PB and some of MS-Office applications, just fine. I've also been able to run SQL Windows, and Delphi just fine in that configuration. Are you sure there was nothing a little different about your PC (config.sys, etc.)? As I'm writing this to you I'm using both S-Designor and PB 4.0 on my PC at home with PowerPoint running. I'm not experiencing any problems at the moment.
BTW, the beta version of Watcom SQL, due this November, is 100% T-SQL, and Sybase Open Client compatible. So your applications are upgradeable (I know it's futures, but it's only a few months and it is in beta). Low and behold, Watcom SQL has row-level locking (this was a great surprise to me about a month ago.) We've actually ran some pretty decent benchmarks with it using 100 users.
Any feedback you have is greatly appreciated.
Thanks again Keith.
Francisco
In <9507211022.ZM3564_at_MFGMPC> Keith_McKendry_at_csg.mot.com (Keith B.
McKendry (contractor for Don Heggem)) writes:
>
>fcasas_at_ix.netcom.com (Francisco Casas) writes:
>>I have a small addition. The combination of PowerBuilder and
>>S-Designer also includes a free version of Watcom SQL. By contrast
>>Oracle requires you to purchase Personal Oracle for MS-Windows. So
>>the total RAM requirements of a CASE tool, development tool and a
>>local database for Sybase and Oracle are:
>>PowerBuilder/S-Designer/WatcomSQL: 8MB of RAM
>>Developer/2000: 16MB
>>Designer/2000: 16MB
>>Personal Oracle: 8MB
>>GRAND TOTAL: 40MB
>>Let's see:
>> 40MB - 8MB = 32MB _at_ $45/MB = $1,440.00
>> plus the cost difference between a 386/33 and a 486/33. Realize
>> that most companies still have a lot of 386 machines.
>>Finally: Oracle, please compete on the merits of your products and
>> not by lying about your competitors.
>
>I think that someone isn confused here. Perhaps it's me, after all I
am
>only a consultant that uses Oracle, Powersoft, ObjectView, and a few
others.
>(I use what the client wants.) I cannot say about Designer/2000 as I
don;t
>have it, but:
>
> My set-up is a 486/66 with 24 Meg Ram. When I had 8MB, I could
>not develop in Powersoft and have *anything* else open. At that
performance
>was slooowwww. I did upgrage before buying Oracle (16MB _at_ $580 or
$36.25/MB)
>in order to get better performance with Powersoft (PowerMaker). I can
be
>developing in D/2000, with Personal Oracle running and still use Lotus
>Notes.
>
>Using both tools, I can't understand a straight comparison as above.
>Developer/2000 and Powersoft are not comparable in features and
functions.
>Nor is WatcomSQL and Oracle7 (Personal Oracle). I can't take a
WatcomSQL
>app and move it to a 200+ user network without *major* changes. I
can't
>take a Powersoft app developed for WatcomSQL and move it to a 200+
user
>network using a large-scale RDBMS without *major* changes and tuning
work
>to the point that only the initial design would be of help. I *can*
take
>a D/2000 app developed against Personal Oracle and place it on a large
>network with no changes (except to login into a different database).
>
>I did read the other posts in this thread and do agree that both sides
>should settle down. Yes, many company have multiple database. The
market
>share break out is 35.x% Oracle, 18.x% Sybase, 17.x% Informix--last
year
>Oracle and Sybase were pretty much the same as now and Informix was at
14.x%.
>I think Oracle should keep doing business as they are. Informix seems
to
>be doing pretty well (I think New Era needs Native Drivers to
non-Informix
>databases, though). Sybase needs to actually release System 11 and
>integrate Powersoft and SDP more closely to some RDBMS, as well as add
>more high-end and code generation abilities to S-Designer. IMHO
>
>--
>McKendry's Uncertainty Principle:
>At any given moment, one cannot be certain that any opinion is
mine--much
>less SSC's or any client's.
>
>Keith McKendry | 73071.3233_at_compuserve.com
>SSC, Inc. |
Received on Mon Jul 24 1995 - 00:00:00 CEST